Thank you my Northern Va friend...this season we will have a MnG somewhere in the 'burg

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For sure...I know of at least one other forum member that lives nearby.

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And you know, I really do hate pretty much everything about Virginia; the state and its organizations have so many ways of squirreling money out of you "register this" or "tax that". Not to mention my 1200sqft condo is costing me 1250/mo rent and 123/mo HOA dues.

I'll be damned if there aren't jobs here though.

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Oh definitely and you forgot, its hot as balls here. I never said I liked living here....that's for sure

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It's not so much the little projects that Phil mentioned, of course they helped the city, It's things like the entire waterfront that has been talked and talked, and talked about for longer than I have even been alive that screws you guys over and gives everyone the concept of shit never gets done in Buffalo.

If Buffalo had some sort of rocking waterfront it would do wonders for the city. Buffalo seems to be one of the only cities without some sort of nice waterfront that has one.

I heard about the Bass Pro going in there before I moved from PA. They need to get the projects they started talking about when my father was my age done and finished before people's tunes will change. Until then, let them talk and talk and talk, because that is all that it seems is happening.

I would love for you guys to have a rocking city and not a dying city, I don't ever want my favorite teams to have to move because the city can longer support them. I would love for Buffalo to gain flocks and flocks of people, I'm never moving back up North again because its' just too damn cold up there now, but others would if the jobs were there.

Make jobs, make buildings, and the city will be a very poppin alive city again, and people will come back, or come for the first time.

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Southside Works is the SHIT! I was just there in Feb

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"I can't really hear what Jeremy says, because I got my two Stanley Cup Rings plugging my ears...." -Patrick Roy in reference to Jeremy Roenick's trash talking

Don't take this as a personal attack; have you ever BEEN to Buffalo? I ask because it's really hard to tell what the city needs if you don't have more of a vested interest than a hockey team there.

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Yea, I've been to Buffalo before. The only game I went to at HSBC I do remember the arena is in an area that seemed to be not pretty at all. But this was before the lockout, that area has changed a bit, well I hope it has, because it wasn't the prettiest of areas.

The AUD was still there when I went to that game so hopefully with it gone it made the area a bit better to be in.

I had been there before and after that date too.

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The arena is pretty much in the heart of downtown/the waterfront. Never been an "ugly" area IMO, although when they were reconstructing the old naval park area into the commercial slip/wharf area it definitely wasn't the prettiest. And of course head a few blocks down Perry St. and you end up in the Perry Projects.

But I don't think it's ever been an ugly area.

How the hell do you know what kind of impact the "little projects" that Phil mentioned has had on Buffalo when you don't even live here? You seem to have quite an expert opinion on the city despite the fact that you've only been here a handful of times.


Yeah okay, spending a day in one area of the city is hardly enough to get a total grasp and feel of the city.

That's what's so annoying about people who just pass through Buffalo...they get this one idea in their heads of what it's like in the city without knowing what's even there.

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Hockey Night in Buffalo

Like if we did this nothing would happen?

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

Well damn, I didn't mean to start all this.

I only lament the slowness of progress because I love the city.
The area deserves better.

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Hold my beer and watch this...

Fine then, stop the bullshit talking about getting shit done and just get it done, and then maybe people will have a different viewpoint on it, the entire Rust Belt is like that, they simply talk and talk about getting shit done and hardly ever does it happen.

My dad said it took twenty years to do one mile of highway where I used to live, that's ridiculous. Get with it, and do it. Don't lollygag around and just build the shit you've been talking about for 10+ years is all that it is.

Answer me these. Why hasn't all these waterfront projects been completed, why so much talking about it? Why hadn't it been done 60 years ago?

All the talk is bullshit, the city just needs to go along and do it.

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Skyline, before you offend anyone else, stop. Politics are what's stopping the development. Every motherfucker up and down the laundry list of approvals needed wants their cut of the money.

Slesh had plans for great things and they got shit on because he wasn't willing to pay the NYS government what they wanted to put their signature on a piece of fucking paper.

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It's all politics man, pure and simple. Do you honestly think that the city of Buffalo is the one holding up the Peace Bridge project? It's an INTERNATIONAL BRIDGE. At least 6 years of delay were because the US and Canadian governments couldn't agree on a shared inspection station in Fort Erie to streamline traffic flow. Why? The US government wanted the CBP agents armed at all times, and the Canadian government didn't want armed agents of another government on their soil. (I don't blame them.) SIX + YEARS that went on until both sides gave up.

They need to expand the plaza on the US side to make room for the new bridge. They identified a block of land, and started eminent domain procedures to take those houses. The homeowners banded together, and have been filing lawsuit after lawsuit to stop the process. Is that's government's fault?

There are plenty of politics in play in New York state that you probably know nothing about since you don't live here and most likely don't follow them. Some reasons things don't get done are complete bullshit and deserve criticism, other reasons have some validity to them.

The point that we're trying to make is that making blanket statements about why 'nothing gets done' without having any insight into the context is pretty silly. It would be like me talking about a specific area of Roanoke that is having issues just because I visited there once. As Western New Yorkers, we get pretty pissed off when someone shits on our area for no good reason. Our rep is already bad enough thanks to our suck ass politicians. We really don't need people from out of town that have spent no more than a day or two here piling on.

Yeah, this.

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Hockey Night in Buffalo

You guys might get mad about it, but it's really not far from the truth. Buffalo has had no major developments in decades and nothing looks closer than ten years. 99% of people are drawn to water, which is why waterfront property is among the most expensive land in the world, let alone the USA. Canandaigua lake is among the richest lakes in the entire USA, and that's only 100 miles from Buffalo.

the Niagara River and two great lakes are renowned for their fishing, sailing, boating, and ecology. We have a start there without any impact. There are museums that few people attend. We have very little waterfront development. This is ridiculous, because it's almost impossible for waterfront to fail. It's the bullshit that makes buffalo and cleveland suck. nothing gets done or moved forward. the little things that do happen are exactly that, little things that rarely make any ripple in the scheme of things.

it's nothing but a shame, and even an outsider can see that. and don't you guys realize that in areas like that, it's what an outsider sees that matters, because they are the ones that will drag us from rust belt, middle-generation lacking city to progressive metropolis.

I don't think anyone is denying that the situation around WNY isn't great. Things DO take too long to get done, and the Buffalo waterfront is a prime example of a wasted resource that has transcended generations.

What we're taking umbrage is comments from people who either aren't from here, or have spent limited time here, telling us all about how 'nothing ever gets done' with no direct knowledge of that fact. The last couple years have seen a step or two in the right direction, and unless you're here, seeing what's happening, or keeping up with the local coverage of it, you don't know a thing about it.

It just seems like everyone not currently living in WNY thinks it's OK to shit on the city and region, but God help you if you say something bad about where they live!!

The only thing that will break WNY out of the doldrums is a complete overhaul of NY state government. That's not likely to happen in our lifetimes, so we're stuck with what we have. Lately, what we have has been doing a little better.

For fuck's sake, I'm about to punch a fucking toddler.

Sky, you're lucky you live on the cousin-fuckin side of the Mason-Dixon.

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mechaphil

That's illegal.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.