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Werpudel
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:24 pm 
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Just to (try to) cool things down: do you really think that Darcy will/can say what's (really) going on behind the scenes? Just a few days ago he said the roster was set and - boom - here comes Morrisson. We still have way too many defencemen on the roster (and Stafford). I wouldn't put it beyond Darcy to play it like this to get the price on some dearly needed Center from Boston/Dallas/etc. down.

Like Darcy or not, he's pulled off some shrewed trades and this just smells like another one. Especially now that Boston has signed Seguin and probably will need to make room to acomodate his salary under the cap.

On the other hand it does give other young players something to think about. I mean, everybody's been bitching about how the Sabres were handing out ridiculous contracts (Pominville, Hecht, ahem) and now that they say "don't fuck with us or you'll be shown the door" everybody's on their hide??? Think about it: When Kennedy gets bought out he'll receive 333.333 Dollars just to pack his bags and leave HSBC Arena and get his millione somewhere else - punishment looks different for me. Yes, he's a local boy but that doesn't mean the Sabres should overpay for him. And 1 million IS overpaying for a guy like Kennedy after his first full NHL year.

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WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SELF IMPOSED CAP... SELF IMPOSED CAP. IT IS 6 MILL UNDERNEATH THE NHL CAP.


S-E-L-F I-M-P-O-S-E-D-C-A-P

Not the players. THE SELF IMPOSED CAP.

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sabresEH
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mechaphil wrote:
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Not at all Phil. I realize you guys are worried about the penny-pinching and the "non-commitment" but come on. What did we NEED coming into the off-season. A PP QB, a veteran leader, and a stay at home defenceman(many thought this would be Weber). But we got Leopold, we got Nieds, and now we have Morrison. Those 3 combined make what Tallinder and Lydman made combined(maybe we spent a little more). Its unfortunate but if it is a self-imposed cap issue problem what player would you rather have. Morrison or Kennedy?


IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PLAYERS. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KENNEDY @ $1M OR MORRISONN AT $2.1m WHEN THEY HAVE $7M IN CAP ROOM.

What happens at the trade deadline now? Do they not make a move for an available player that could help them in the playoffs because they'll exceed their mystery cap?

THAT is the point.

I agree they shouldn't have had to choose but the fact is we HAD to. And when it comes down to it the right choice was made.

No, they didn't HAVE TO.

Yes from our POV that did not have to be done. But from their fucked up POV it had to be done. So with that being said who would you guys rather have. Another third liner for one mill or a top 4 dman for just over 2. I know its not about the players but if there was only one roster spot left I'm happier it went to a more experienced dman. I think we were all a little worried about starting the year with so many question marks on defence.

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Just the fact that we have a self-imposed cap is a joke. You do whatever you can to bring in the best possible players to put your team in the best situation to succeed. Choking off your ability to do so by your own hand is just mind boggling to me.

There are two types of professional team owners. Ones that are just trying to make money and the ones that are there to win championships.

Owners that win championships don't always make money, but the ones that obssess of money CERTAINLY don't win championships. I'd rather lose a few mil for a cup than run in the black for three years with nothing to show for it.

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HelloMyKneeGrows wrote:
Just the fact that we have a self-imposed cap is a joke. You do whatever you can to bring in the best possible players to put your team in the best situation to succeed. Choking off your ability to do so by your own hand is just mind boggling to me.

There are two types of professional team owners. Ones that are just trying to make money and the ones that are there to win championships.

Owners that win championships don't always make money, but the ones that obssess of money CERTAINLY don't win championships. I'd rather lose a few mil for a cup than run in the black for three years with nothing to show for it.

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Werpudel
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BlueandYellow wrote:
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SELF IMPOSED CAP... SELF IMPOSED CAP. IT IS 6 MILL UNDERNEATH THE NHL CAP.


S-E-L-F I-M-P-O-S-E-D-C-A-P

Not the players. THE SELF IMPOSED CAP.



that's what I wanted to say, sorry if I couldn't transport that meaning: Darcy would be a fool if he'd publicly announce that they are willing to spend every last cent. that would drive up the price for any remaining UFA and also the asking price for any possible trade. it's just strategy from the Sabres' side.

The Sabres have been spending to the cap all the last years. what makes you think they won't this year? they've been telling each and every summer in the last years that they have to save money and blablablabla and look: in the end we were always up against the cap. it's the beginning of August right now, for heaven's sake! There are still 6 weeks to go till camp, they will certainly get another player until then.


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Don't worry folks, this is all part of the 3 year plan to win the cup.

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Crosscheck wrote:
Don't worry folks, this is all part of the 3 year plan to win the cup.


AND the inevitable 3 year plan that will follow THAT plan

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BlueandYellow
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HelloMyKneeGrows wrote:
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Don't worry folks, this is all part of the 3 year plan to win the cup.


AND the inevitable 3 year plan that will follow THAT plan


Don't forget the 3 years AFTERWARD.

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BlueandYellow
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Werpudel wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SELF IMPOSED CAP... SELF IMPOSED CAP. IT IS 6 MILL UNDERNEATH THE NHL CAP.


S-E-L-F I-M-P-O-S-E-D-C-A-P

Not the players. THE SELF IMPOSED CAP.



that's what I wanted to say, sorry if I couldn't transport that meaning: Darcy would be a fool if he'd publicly announce that they are willing to spend every last cent. that would drive up the price for any remaining UFA and also the asking price for any possible trade. it's just strategy from the Sabres' side.

The Sabres have been spending to the cap all the last years. what makes you think they won't this year? they've been telling each and every summer in the last years that they have to save money and blablablabla and look: in the end we were always up against the cap. it's the beginning of August right now, for heaven's sake! There are still 6 weeks to go till camp, they will certainly get another player until then.


So. Every other team says they will spend to the max and gets good players, while our management sits there picking their asshole saying we won't spend to the cap and wait for a magical deal from a superstar to appear.

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Part of owning a sports team is about anticipating losses. Every owner knows this. If Tom Golisano can't handle it, he needs to sell the team to someone who can.

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mechaphil wrote:
Part of owning a sports team is about anticipating losses. Every owner knows this. If Tom Golisano can't handle it, he needs to sell the team to someone who can.

Hopefully that guy keeps the team in Buffalo.

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mechaphil wrote:
Part of owning a sports team is about anticipating losses. Every owner knows this. If Tom Golisano can't handle it, he needs to sell the team to someone who can.


That's not very reasonable for you to say.

Especially considering that those who take losses and plan to sell could not give two shits and let the team leave buffalo.

Tom is operating the club in a manner that ensures it can stay put. I don't see what's wrong with that.

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At this point, I'd rather see the team win a cup. If it means they have to leave Buffalo, I'd be all for it.

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mechaphil
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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Part of owning a sports team is about anticipating losses. Every owner knows this. If Tom Golisano can't handle it, he needs to sell the team to someone who can.


That's not very reasonable for you to say.

Especially considering that those who take losses and plan to sell could not give two shits and let the team leave buffalo.

Tom is operating the club in a manner that ensures it can stay put. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Owning a sports team is a "vanity asset", an asset thats looks good for your image but not in your ledgers. Sports owners get into the business to win because taking a loss is more common than not. Golisano operates the team to try and make money. He's in this business for the wrong reasons.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad kept the Sabres here. But it's not enough at this point. He needs to give two shits.

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mechaphil wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Part of owning a sports team is about anticipating losses. Every owner knows this. If Tom Golisano can't handle it, he needs to sell the team to someone who can.


That's not very reasonable for you to say.

Especially considering that those who take losses and plan to sell could not give two shits and let the team leave buffalo.

Tom is operating the club in a manner that ensures it can stay put. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Owning a sports team is a "vanity asset", an asset thats looks good for your image but not in your ledgers. Sports owners get into the business to win because taking a loss is more common than not. Golisano operates the team to try and make money. He's in this business for the wrong reasons.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad kept the Sabres here. But it's not enough at this point. He needs to give two shits.


Yeah. Other places can have an owner who keeps the team in Buffalo AND an owner who cares, but we can only have one?

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Part of owning a sports team is about anticipating losses. Every owner knows this. If Tom Golisano can't handle it, he needs to sell the team to someone who can.


That's not very reasonable for you to say.

Especially considering that those who take losses and plan to sell could not give two shits and let the team leave buffalo.

Tom is operating the club in a manner that ensures it can stay put. I don't see what's wrong with that.


It's a separate corporate entity than BTG's personal wealth. He wants to have some losses for tax purposes.

BTG isn't the problem anyways. It's LQ. He's the one that's been in charge of day to day operations since the sale. He's the one controlling the purse strings.


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Squanto wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Part of owning a sports team is about anticipating losses. Every owner knows this. If Tom Golisano can't handle it, he needs to sell the team to someone who can.


That's not very reasonable for you to say.

Especially considering that those who take losses and plan to sell could not give two shits and let the team leave buffalo.

Tom is operating the club in a manner that ensures it can stay put. I don't see what's wrong with that.


It's a separate corporate entity than BTG's personal wealth. He wants to have some losses for tax purposes.

BTG isn't the problem anyways. It's LQ. He's the one that's been in charge of day to day operations since the sale. He's the one controlling the purse strings.

99% of this is Quinn, yes. But who bankrolls the operation and tells his majordomo to make him money? Golisano.

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Don't get me wrong, Quinn is the target of all of my bile and malice, but in the end he's still just a minority owner answering to Mr. Big.

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Quinn is not just a minority owner. Remember that he's the managing partner. He reports to BTG, but unless BTG is actively directing him, which I don't think anyone believes, Quinn is calling the shots.


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