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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:59 pm 
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I honestly feel sorry for darcy. He always takes the flack. Some of it deserved (bad trades ie Torres), but when it comes to free agents it is usually the purse holders.

I can already see Darcy before the news conference. "Damn boss, can't we spend up to the cap? It is hell having to explain to the faithful fans we are letting them down again".

A trade isn't bad when it's first made, but after the fact it is bad?

Hardly are there trades that you see, a second round pick for a guy who had 19 goals is not a bad trade right then and there.

I hate when people say it was bad after it was all done and said. Because none of us knew he wouldn't do shit for us and he brought in size and a gritty player who stuck up for teammates.

Sure the Moore and Bernier trades could be bad too, but it brought in guys who could score and had size on them. But those weren't bad trades at the time because we didn't know what they'd do in the Blue and gold.

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As a whole, we're stronger than last year. Darcy said that ownership set the budget, and that to spend more, he'd have to talk to them. I think we're in a "Good enough" place. We're not going to come out and win 10 straight, but we'll have enough to make the playoffs. And with that much cap room, we'll have the money to bring in any missing piece(s) we may have.

After calming down a little bit, I'm strangely comfortable with where we're at. Almost excited. I'm not going to get my hopes up for another trade, but I am going to get them up for this upcoming season.



First off, Semper Fi bro :evil:

It's not about where we're at. I mean I would be comfortable too, if the cap was 7 mil lower and we did everything we could to put out a good product. Again, this has been reiterated so many times- it's not about what we have right now, because we could have so much more.

I'll be just as excited when hockey season rolls around, but I"ll always wonder how much better we couldve been if we had spent the 7 million.


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SabresFanInNebraska
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
burner087 wrote:
I honestly feel sorry for darcy. He always takes the flack. Some of it deserved (bad trades ie Torres), but when it comes to free agents it is usually the purse holders.

I can already see Darcy before the news conference. "Damn boss, can't we spend up to the cap? It is hell having to explain to the faithful fans we are letting them down again".

A trade isn't bad when it's first made, but after the fact it is bad?

Hardly are there trades that you see, a second round pick for a guy who had 19 goals is not a bad trade right then and there.

I hate when people say it was bad after it was all done and said. Because none of us knew he wouldn't do shit for us and he brought in size and a gritty player who stuck up for teammates.

Sure the Moore and Bernier trades could be bad too, but it brought in guys who could score and had size on them. But those weren't bad trades at the time because we didn't know what they'd do in the Blue and gold.


Couldn't agree more, especially with the Torres trade. Guy had the most goals on our team when he came didn't he? Who knew he would be a bust. I, like most of us, thought he was a great pickup at the time.


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Sorry I'm being lazy, but did they mention about making any more additions to the team in the press conference?

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Sorry I'm being lazy, but did they mention about making any more additions to the team in the press conference?

Regier said he'd try and work with ownership on it.

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There won't be any more additions until the trade deadline.

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If Darcy was allowed to spend more money with management approval, he should never have mentioned their internal cap.


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If Darcy was allowed to spend more money with management approval, he should never have mentioned their internal cap.

? So he mentioned the internal cap because he's pissed off about the internal cap?

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If Darcy was allowed to spend more money with management approval, he should never have mentioned their internal cap.

And then this thread never would have reached 12 pages haha

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I'm pretty sure him mentioning the internal cap was to say, "HEY MOTHER FUCKERS! STOP CALLING FOR MY HEAD BECAUSE IT ISN'T MY FUCKING FAULT I HAVE NOTHING TO WORK WITH!"

We can clearly see he has his hands tied.


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backthatSASSup wrote:
I'm pretty sure him mentioning the internal cap was to say, "HEY MOTHER FUCKERS! STOP CALLING FOR MY HEAD BECAUSE IT ISN'T MY FUCKING FAULT I HAVE NOTHING TO WORK WITH!"

We can clearly see he has his hands tied.

:lol:
I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy want to hear him say that.

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I want to hear him say, "Hey guys. Management sucks. I do all I can do, which isn't a lot because that fat fuck is in Florida... Quinn rapes me in the showers, too."

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backthatSASSup wrote:
I'm pretty sure him mentioning the internal cap was to say, "HEY MOTHER FUCKERS! STOP CALLING FOR MY HEAD BECAUSE IT ISN'T MY FUCKING FAULT I HAVE NOTHING TO WORK WITH!"

We can clearly see he has his hands tied.

I agree 100%.

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Van_Da_Man wrote:
backthatSASSup wrote:
I'm pretty sure him mentioning the internal cap was to say, "HEY MOTHER FUCKERS! STOP CALLING FOR MY HEAD BECAUSE IT ISN'T MY FUCKING FAULT I HAVE NOTHING TO WORK WITH!"

We can clearly see he has his hands tied.

:lol:
I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy want to hear him say that.


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I would bet he's dying to. He's probably raging on the inside.


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I really hope so.

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mechaphil wrote:
Seanothan27 wrote:
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Part of owning a sports team is about anticipating losses. Every owner knows this. If Tom Golisano can't handle it, he needs to sell the team to someone who can.


That's not very reasonable for you to say.

Especially considering that those who take losses and plan to sell could not give two shits and let the team leave buffalo.

Tom is operating the club in a manner that ensures it can stay put. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Owning a sports team is a "vanity asset", an asset thats looks good for your image but not in your ledgers. Sports owners get into the business to win because taking a loss is more common than not. Golisano operates the team to try and make money. He's in this business for the wrong reasons.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad kept the Sabres here. But it's not enough at this point. He needs to give two shits.


whats the point of having a team if it will never win?


Ask MLSE

The difference here is the Maple Leafs are a license to print money, and they always will be.

Mike, that's not Quinnisano's reasoning. Their's is, what's the point of having a team if it will never make money? Golisano won't sell it because not even he's dumb enough to incur the PR nightmare of selling the team to someone who will move it, but he (this time meaning Quinnisano) won't do what it takes to win the Cup even if it means a fiscal loss.

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I do understand what Darcy says about defense being the position we needed to upgrade. I mean honestly Kennedy isn't really a loss...he was just from Buffalo which made him more special to us all. I know, everyone's mad about the self-imposed cap...yeah, yeah.
My only question is, why were they so worried about paying Kennedy 1m when they just signed Leopold to 3m, and Gaustad, who is a 4th line grinder is making 2.3m? Gaustad has his areas of expertise, but Kennedy I think has a bigger upside. But they won't sign Tim to 1m? GOOSE MAKES 2.3!!!

It never, ever had a single fucking thing to do with Kennedy being from Buffalo.

Also, the Goose example is inadmissible because the Sabres and a different mindset at that point and the league itself had a completely different mindset surrounding free agency.

Hey, I'm just numbing the sting. I know the real reason everyone is mad is because the self-imposed cap bullshit. But I'm just easing the sting a little by saying Kennedy wasn't that good. I think he's already 24 or 25 next year and he just had his rookie season. The only reason people (like me) liked him so much was because he was from Buffalo. I was always routing for him because of this. I'm mad of course, but what's done is done. He's gone. I'll have fun routing for him to do good on whatever team he's on now.

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Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

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Hey, I'm just numbing the sting. I know the real reason everyone is mad is because the self-imposed cap bullshit. But I'm just easing the sting a little by saying Kennedy wasn't that good. I think he's already 24 or 25 next year and he just had his rookie season. The only reason people (like me) liked him so much was because he was from Buffalo. I was always routing for him because of this. I'm mad of course, but what's done is done. He's gone. I'll have fun routing for him to do good on whatever team he's on now.

You're right, it's not that they're pissing away some future Ovie or anything but I think it's the way they did it. Using some "self impose cap" excuse is either complete and utter bullshit or they have absolutely no plan to bring the cup to Buffalo. I do not see this team going far in the playoffs anytime soon. They piss away any player that is remotely good just to keep the players who know that they would get fucked if they left the Sabres. I'm getting tired of this bullshit...I am about to take a hiatus like SFS1980 stated earlier

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X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

1. This wasn't ever nor is it right now about Kennedy being from Buffalo. People need to friggin get over it.

2. It came out today that Kennedy was informed he'd get waived if the team didn't have the option to walk away from an award they didn't like. Management should have been transparent enough to disclose that before he had been waived so this whirlwind shitstorm didn't happen.

3. Again, this isn't about the players, but yea Morrisonn is a good signing for only $2.075M

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