It is currently Fri May 29, 2026 7:35 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 364 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19  Next
Author Message
sabresindc
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:42 pm 
Offline
Captain Clutch
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:58 pm
Posts: 6146
Location: Southern most point of Northern Virginia
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

Very good points but I must respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. When was the last time the Sabres spend a crap load on any player (oh yeah, we do have a 50 million dollar man who is WELL WORTH that kind of money :doh: ), let alone make a big trade. Really good wingers???? Seriously??? Who are these "really good wingers," and where were they last season.

Yes, we have a pretty solid defense now but how about some scoring? You need to be able to score in order to win and I don't see it. Unless someone lights a fire under these forwards asses, you can keep dreaming about a championship.


Again, sorry about the rant.....just trying to vent a little.

_________________
sabretoothpick wrote:
Yhoshi wrote:
wollt ihr die sabres oben sehen müsst ihr die tabelle drehn.

It's a phrase that basically means, if you wanna see the Sabres at the top, turn the rankings.


Top
 Profile  
 
X-pensfan
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:44 pm 
Offline
Star Sniper
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:31 am
Posts: 3668
Location: Pittsburgh
mechaphil wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

1. This wasn't ever nor is it right now about Kennedy being from Buffalo. People need to friggin get over it.

2. It came out today that Kennedy was informed he'd get waived if the team didn't have the option to walk away from an award they didn't like. Management should have been transparent enough to disclose that before he had been waived so this whirlwind shitstorm didn't happen.

3. Again, this isn't about the players, but yea Morrisonn is a good signing for only $2.075M


I think it's about the players. Regier said something to the effect that there "are no vacuum moves" or something like that. meaning that every roster move has a cause and an effect. They didn't want to spend any extra money in an area that they are strong at, when they could use those resources to improve another area.

Having said that I would like to think that they could have signed Morrisonn without buying out Kennedy, but the self imposed cap and Tyler Ennis combine to make buying out Kennedy the best move for the team on the ice.

_________________
"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger


Top
 Profile  
 
mechaphil
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:45 pm 
Offline
Thy Horror Cosmic
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:57 pm
Posts: 19086
Location: BFLO
sabresindc wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

Very good points but I must respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. When was the last time the Sabres spend a crap load on any player (oh yeah, we do have a 50 million dollar man who is WELL WORTH that kind of money :doh: ), let alone make a big trade. Really good wingers???? Seriously??? Who are these "really good wingers," and where were they last season.

Yes, we have a pretty solid defense now but how about some scoring? You need to be able to score in order to win and I don't see it. Unless someone lights a fire under these forwards asses, you can keep dreaming about a championship.


Again, sorry about the rant.....just trying to vent a little.

Kevin Lowe wrote Vanek's contract, not Regier. Would you have been happy if they let Drury, Brier, and a newly-minted 43-goal scorer walk in the same off-season for those 4 picks? You would be now, of course, because revisionist hindsight is 20-20.

_________________
mechaphil


Top
 Profile  
 
BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:49 pm 
Offline
Hart Winner
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:42 pm
Posts: 9770
Location: Buffalo, NY
We need a decent scorer, we have 6 mill left in cap space or around there, we have a surplus of defensemen and a few draft picks.
A trade for a scorer would be nice, considering we need scoring now more than D or goalie.

_________________
"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.


Top
 Profile  
 
Squanto
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:51 pm 
Offline
Carlos Spicy-Wiener
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:31 am
Posts: 9240
Location: FAP TURBO
My consternation has never, for one instant, had anything to do with Kennedy being from South Buffalo. It's completely been about the fact that they're buying out a good young player to save a couple hundred thousand bucks. With Morissonn's contract in, and Kennedy out, they have $5.4M in cap room. They could have kept Kennedy at $1M, signed Morrissonn, and STILL been $4.57M under the line. So, they basically made themselves look like a bunch of cheap bastards because LQ wouldn't authorize another $833k.

If they wouldn't spend that money on one of their own players, why should anyone expect that they would ever spend it on someone else down the line?


Top
 Profile  
 
sabresindc
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:52 pm 
Offline
Captain Clutch
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:58 pm
Posts: 6146
Location: Southern most point of Northern Virginia
mechaphil wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

Very good points but I must respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. When was the last time the Sabres spend a crap load on any player (oh yeah, we do have a 50 million dollar man who is WELL WORTH that kind of money :doh: ), let alone make a big trade. Really good wingers???? Seriously??? Who are these "really good wingers," and where were they last season.

Yes, we have a pretty solid defense now but how about some scoring? You need to be able to score in order to win and I don't see it. Unless someone lights a fire under these forwards asses, you can keep dreaming about a championship.


Again, sorry about the rant.....just trying to vent a little.

Kevin Lowe wrote Vanek's contract, not Regier. Would you have been happy if they let Drury, Brier, and a newly-minted 43-goal scorer walk in the same off-season for those 4 picks? You would be now, of course, because revisionist hindsight is 20-20.

I know management had no choice with Vanek. I also understand I'm looking at it with hindsight but I really don't see managements' vision of this team being a championship team. Not with the forwards we have.

_________________
sabretoothpick wrote:
Yhoshi wrote:
wollt ihr die sabres oben sehen müsst ihr die tabelle drehn.

It's a phrase that basically means, if you wanna see the Sabres at the top, turn the rankings.


Top
 Profile  
 
BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:53 pm 
Offline
Hart Winner
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:42 pm
Posts: 9770
Location: Buffalo, NY
sabresindc wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

Very good points but I must respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. When was the last time the Sabres spend a crap load on any player (oh yeah, we do have a 50 million dollar man who is WELL WORTH that kind of money :doh: ), let alone make a big trade. Really good wingers???? Seriously??? Who are these "really good wingers," and where were they last season.

Yes, we have a pretty solid defense now but how about some scoring? You need to be able to score in order to win and I don't see it. Unless someone lights a fire under these forwards asses, you can keep dreaming about a championship.


Again, sorry about the rant.....just trying to vent a little.

Kevin Lowe wrote Vanek's contract, not Regier. Would you have been happy if they let Drury, Brier, and a newly-minted 43-goal scorer walk in the same off-season for those 4 picks? You would be now, of course, because revisionist hindsight is 20-20.

I know management had no choice with Vanek. I also understand I'm looking at it with hindsight but I really don't see managements' vision of this team being a championship team. Not with the forwards we have.

:clap:

_________________
"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.


Top
 Profile  
 
X-pensfan
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:58 pm 
Offline
Star Sniper
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:31 am
Posts: 3668
Location: Pittsburgh
sabresindc wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

Very good points but I must respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. When was the last time the Sabres spend a crap load on any player (oh yeah, we do have a 50 million dollar man who is WELL WORTH that kind of money :doh: ), let alone make a big trade. Really good wingers???? Seriously??? Who are these "really good wingers," and where were they last season.

Yes, we have a pretty solid defense now but how about some scoring? You need to be able to score in order to win and I don't see it. Unless someone lights a fire under these forwards asses, you can keep dreaming about a championship.


Again, sorry about the rant.....just trying to vent a little.



I whole heartedly agree that the primary need for this team after last season was a big. scoring forward. Not just BIG as in game breaking potential but physically as well and preferably a center that would replace Connolly ASAP. But where are they? There's nobody out there I would want to lock up to a long term deal and there wasn't earlier either. The only way left is to draft (Kassian is waiting in the wings-sick pun fully intended) the guy, wait until next summer, or trade. They retain the cap flexibility to trade later on and I would like to think that they have the depth, and the resources to pull off a big move down the line.

Vanek has had a bad run as of late. He has not been worth the big contract over the past couple of seasons. But he is without a doubt one of the brightest young wingers in the game of hockey. He's a 40 goal scorer, look around the league and tell me how many wingers could score 40 next season. I don't want to over hype Ennis based off of a 10 game snippet but I see no reason to doubt his ability to put up 50^ points next season as a rookie. Pominville has 70^ point talent. They have great checking line wingers, the role in which Kennedy was asked to play. And then there are a few other guys with 50 point potential including Staffard.

I wouldn't say that the Sabres have a top 5 collection of wingers (from 1-8), but top 10 for sure.

Will Kennedy's offense be missed? No. It will be improved upon, by Ennis. And they retain roster flexibility for other young forwards who may be riding an AHL hot streak while an NHL player is rather cold.

Building a Stanley Cup champion is real tough to do especially while maintaining a good team in the process. But that's what they are doing, and recent events suggest top me that they are heading the right way.

_________________
"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger


Top
 Profile  
 
X-pensfan
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:00 pm 
Offline
Star Sniper
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:31 am
Posts: 3668
Location: Pittsburgh
Squanto wrote:
My consternation has never, for one instant, had anything to do with Kennedy being from South Buffalo. It's completely been about the fact that they're buying out a good young player to save a couple hundred thousand bucks. With Morissonn's contract in, and Kennedy out, they have $5.4M in cap room. They could have kept Kennedy at $1M, signed Morrissonn, and STILL been $4.57M under the line. So, they basically made themselves look like a bunch of cheap bastards because LQ wouldn't authorize another $833k.

If they wouldn't spend that money on one of their own players, why should anyone expect that they would ever spend it on someone else down the line?



Well, they aren't going to send Ennis down through waivers. So who do you think was eventually going to need to get bumped down? Kennedy. If he had a ONE WAY deal they would have had to have eaten more of the contract later and looked-to your eyes-as even bigger douches then.

_________________
"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger


Top
 Profile  
 
BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:01 pm 
Offline
Hart Winner
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:42 pm
Posts: 9770
Location: Buffalo, NY
X-pensfan wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

Very good points but I must respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. When was the last time the Sabres spend a crap load on any player (oh yeah, we do have a 50 million dollar man who is WELL WORTH that kind of money :doh: ), let alone make a big trade. Really good wingers???? Seriously??? Who are these "really good wingers," and where were they last season.

Yes, we have a pretty solid defense now but how about some scoring? You need to be able to score in order to win and I don't see it. Unless someone lights a fire under these forwards asses, you can keep dreaming about a championship.


Again, sorry about the rant.....just trying to vent a little.



I whole heartedly agree that the primary need for this team after last season was a big. scoring forward. Not just BIG as in game breaking potential but physically as well and preferably a center that would replace Connolly ASAP. But where are they? There's nobody out there I would want to lock up to a long term deal and there wasn't earlier either. The only way left is to draft (Kassian is waiting in the wings-sick pun fully intended) the guy, wait until next summer, or trade. They retain the cap flexibility to trade later on and I would like to think that they have the depth, and the resources to pull off a big move down the line.

Vanek has had a bad run as of late. He has not been worth the big contract over the past couple of seasons. But he is without a doubt one of the brightest young wingers in the game of hockey. He's a 40 goal scorer, look around the league and tell me how many wingers could score 40 next season. I don't want to over hype Ennis based off of a 10 game snippet but I see no reason to doubt his ability to put up 50^ points next season as a rookie. Pominville has 70^ point talent. They have great checking line wingers, the role in which Kennedy was asked to play. And then there are a few other guys with 50 point potential including Staffard.

I wouldn't say that the Sabres have a top 5 collection of wingers (from 1-8), but top 10 for sure.

Will Kennedy's offense be missed? No. It will be improved upon, by Ennis. And they retain roster flexibility for other young forwards who may be riding an AHL hot streak while an NHL player is rather cold.

Building a Stanley Cup champion is real tough to do especially while maintaining a good team in the process. But that's what they are doing, and recent events suggest top me that they are heading the right way.


THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING FOR 40 FREAKIN' YEARS.

_________________
"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.


Top
 Profile  
 
mechaphil
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:04 pm 
Offline
Thy Horror Cosmic
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:57 pm
Posts: 19086
Location: BFLO
X-pensfan wrote:
Squanto wrote:
My consternation has never, for one instant, had anything to do with Kennedy being from South Buffalo. It's completely been about the fact that they're buying out a good young player to save a couple hundred thousand bucks. With Morissonn's contract in, and Kennedy out, they have $5.4M in cap room. They could have kept Kennedy at $1M, signed Morrissonn, and STILL been $4.57M under the line. So, they basically made themselves look like a bunch of cheap bastards because LQ wouldn't authorize another $833k.

If they wouldn't spend that money on one of their own players, why should anyone expect that they would ever spend it on someone else down the line?



Well, they aren't going to send Ennis down through waivers. So who do you think was eventually going to need to get bumped down? Kennedy. If he had a ONE WAY deal they would have had to have eaten more of the contract later and looked-to your eyes-as even bigger douches then.

So by your logic, the kid with heart and a penchant for kicking the shit out of his second season (it's statistically proven) is a better candidate for removal than the talented but lazy winger who's proven for three years that he's a bust?

And he did get a one-way deal. If he got a two-way deal, they would have just demoted him to Portland.

_________________
mechaphil


Top
 Profile  
 
X-pensfan
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:05 pm 
Offline
Star Sniper
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:31 am
Posts: 3668
Location: Pittsburgh
BlueandYellow wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

Very good points but I must respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. When was the last time the Sabres spend a crap load on any player (oh yeah, we do have a 50 million dollar man who is WELL WORTH that kind of money :doh: ), let alone make a big trade. Really good wingers???? Seriously??? Who are these "really good wingers," and where were they last season.

Yes, we have a pretty solid defense now but how about some scoring? You need to be able to score in order to win and I don't see it. Unless someone lights a fire under these forwards asses, you can keep dreaming about a championship.


Again, sorry about the rant.....just trying to vent a little.



I whole heartedly agree that the primary need for this team after last season was a big. scoring forward. Not just BIG as in game breaking potential but physically as well and preferably a center that would replace Connolly ASAP. But where are they? There's nobody out there I would want to lock up to a long term deal and there wasn't earlier either. The only way left is to draft (Kassian is waiting in the wings-sick pun fully intended) the guy, wait until next summer, or trade. They retain the cap flexibility to trade later on and I would like to think that they have the depth, and the resources to pull off a big move down the line.

Vanek has had a bad run as of late. He has not been worth the big contract over the past couple of seasons. But he is without a doubt one of the brightest young wingers in the game of hockey. He's a 40 goal scorer, look around the league and tell me how many wingers could score 40 next season. I don't want to over hype Ennis based off of a 10 game snippet but I see no reason to doubt his ability to put up 50^ points next season as a rookie. Pominville has 70^ point talent. They have great checking line wingers, the role in which Kennedy was asked to play. And then there are a few other guys with 50 point potential including Staffard.

I wouldn't say that the Sabres have a top 5 collection of wingers (from 1-8), but top 10 for sure.

Will Kennedy's offense be missed? No. It will be improved upon, by Ennis. And they retain roster flexibility for other young forwards who may be riding an AHL hot streak while an NHL player is rather cold.

Building a Stanley Cup champion is real tough to do especially while maintaining a good team in the process. But that's what they are doing, and recent events suggest top me that they are heading the right way.


THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING FOR 40 FREAKIN' YEARS.


Yeah, well it aint easy. Might be another 40 years. The way I see it I have two choices. Enjoy the journey and view things with a bigger picture in mind, or freak out and become impatient anytime something is too difficult or complex to understand right away.

_________________
"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger


Top
 Profile  
 
BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:08 pm 
Offline
Hart Winner
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:42 pm
Posts: 9770
Location: Buffalo, NY
X-pensfan wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

Very good points but I must respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. When was the last time the Sabres spend a crap load on any player (oh yeah, we do have a 50 million dollar man who is WELL WORTH that kind of money :doh: ), let alone make a big trade. Really good wingers???? Seriously??? Who are these "really good wingers," and where were they last season.

Yes, we have a pretty solid defense now but how about some scoring? You need to be able to score in order to win and I don't see it. Unless someone lights a fire under these forwards asses, you can keep dreaming about a championship.


Again, sorry about the rant.....just trying to vent a little.



I whole heartedly agree that the primary need for this team after last season was a big. scoring forward. Not just BIG as in game breaking potential but physically as well and preferably a center that would replace Connolly ASAP. But where are they? There's nobody out there I would want to lock up to a long term deal and there wasn't earlier either. The only way left is to draft (Kassian is waiting in the wings-sick pun fully intended) the guy, wait until next summer, or trade. They retain the cap flexibility to trade later on and I would like to think that they have the depth, and the resources to pull off a big move down the line.

Vanek has had a bad run as of late. He has not been worth the big contract over the past couple of seasons. But he is without a doubt one of the brightest young wingers in the game of hockey. He's a 40 goal scorer, look around the league and tell me how many wingers could score 40 next season. I don't want to over hype Ennis based off of a 10 game snippet but I see no reason to doubt his ability to put up 50^ points next season as a rookie. Pominville has 70^ point talent. They have great checking line wingers, the role in which Kennedy was asked to play. And then there are a few other guys with 50 point potential including Staffard.

I wouldn't say that the Sabres have a top 5 collection of wingers (from 1-8), but top 10 for sure.

Will Kennedy's offense be missed? No. It will be improved upon, by Ennis. And they retain roster flexibility for other young forwards who may be riding an AHL hot streak while an NHL player is rather cold.

Building a Stanley Cup champion is real tough to do especially while maintaining a good team in the process. But that's what they are doing, and recent events suggest top me that they are heading the right way.


THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING FOR 40 FREAKIN' YEARS.


Yeah, well it aint easy. Might be another 40 years. The way I see it I have two choices. Enjoy the journey and view things with a bigger picture in mind, or freak out and become impatient anytime something is too difficult or complex to understand right away.


Have fun crying on the inside trying to look for a reason why no good scoring talent is here but that lazy fag ass Stafford.

_________________
"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.


Top
 Profile  
 
BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:09 pm 
Offline
Hart Winner
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:42 pm
Posts: 9770
Location: Buffalo, NY
I for one am tired of waiting for some talent.

_________________
"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.


Top
 Profile  
 
X-pensfan
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:10 pm 
Offline
Star Sniper
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:31 am
Posts: 3668
Location: Pittsburgh
mechaphil wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Squanto wrote:
My consternation has never, for one instant, had anything to do with Kennedy being from South Buffalo. It's completely been about the fact that they're buying out a good young player to save a couple hundred thousand bucks. With Morissonn's contract in, and Kennedy out, they have $5.4M in cap room. They could have kept Kennedy at $1M, signed Morrissonn, and STILL been $4.57M under the line. So, they basically made themselves look like a bunch of cheap bastards because LQ wouldn't authorize another $833k.

If they wouldn't spend that money on one of their own players, why should anyone expect that they would ever spend it on someone else down the line?



Well, they aren't going to send Ennis down through waivers. So who do you think was eventually going to need to get bumped down? Kennedy. If he had a ONE WAY deal they would have had to have eaten more of the contract later and looked-to your eyes-as even bigger douches then.

So by your logic, the kid with heart and a penchant for kicking the shit out of his second season (it's statistically proven) is a better candidate for removal than the talented but lazy winger who's proven for three years that he's a bust?

And he did get a one-way deal. If he got a two-way deal, they would have just demoted him to Portland.


Not a BETTER candidate but the only one of the two that could be sacrificed at the time. They wanted Kennedy to take a 2-way deal. Would they rather fire up a time machine and go back and make Staffords deal two-way so they could sign Kennedy too a 1-way deal now? Sure! I think MGMT would love to have both players on 2-way deals as a matter of fact. But, business is business. They are either stuck with Stafford or still hoping he will find his game.

_________________
"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger


Top
 Profile  
 
sabresindc
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:11 pm 
Offline
Captain Clutch
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:58 pm
Posts: 6146
Location: Southern most point of Northern Virginia
I really don't see Vanek having a 40 goal season again. Other teams have figured him out. They know that his bread and butter is in front of that net. If you noticed that most of the top NHL scorers today know how to get around the defense by skating circles around them while getting a bead on the back of the net. Vanek is not that kind of scorer.....Matter of fact, no forward on the sabres roster has that prowess.

_________________
sabretoothpick wrote:
Yhoshi wrote:
wollt ihr die sabres oben sehen müsst ihr die tabelle drehn.

It's a phrase that basically means, if you wanna see the Sabres at the top, turn the rankings.


Top
 Profile  
 
BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:12 pm 
Offline
Hart Winner
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:42 pm
Posts: 9770
Location: Buffalo, NY
X-pensfan wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Squanto wrote:
My consternation has never, for one instant, had anything to do with Kennedy being from South Buffalo. It's completely been about the fact that they're buying out a good young player to save a couple hundred thousand bucks. With Morissonn's contract in, and Kennedy out, they have $5.4M in cap room. They could have kept Kennedy at $1M, signed Morrissonn, and STILL been $4.57M under the line. So, they basically made themselves look like a bunch of cheap bastards because LQ wouldn't authorize another $833k.

If they wouldn't spend that money on one of their own players, why should anyone expect that they would ever spend it on someone else down the line?



Well, they aren't going to send Ennis down through waivers. So who do you think was eventually going to need to get bumped down? Kennedy. If he had a ONE WAY deal they would have had to have eaten more of the contract later and looked-to your eyes-as even bigger douches then.

So by your logic, the kid with heart and a penchant for kicking the shit out of his second season (it's statistically proven) is a better candidate for removal than the talented but lazy winger who's proven for three years that he's a bust?

And he did get a one-way deal. If he got a two-way deal, they would have just demoted him to Portland.


Not a BETTER candidate but the only one of the two that could be sacrificed at the time. They wanted Kennedy to take a 2-way deal. Would they rather fire up a time machine and go back and make Staffords deal two-way so they could sign Kennedy too a 1-way deal now? Sure! I think MGMT would love to have both players on 2-way deals as a matter of fact. But, business is business. They are either stuck with Stafford or still hoping he will find his game.


They bought Kennedy out. Why not buy out Stafford? Keep Kennedy? He's only worth 1 million.

_________________
"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.


Top
 Profile  
 
mechaphil
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:13 pm 
Offline
Thy Horror Cosmic
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:57 pm
Posts: 19086
Location: BFLO
X-pensfan wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Squanto wrote:
My consternation has never, for one instant, had anything to do with Kennedy being from South Buffalo. It's completely been about the fact that they're buying out a good young player to save a couple hundred thousand bucks. With Morissonn's contract in, and Kennedy out, they have $5.4M in cap room. They could have kept Kennedy at $1M, signed Morrissonn, and STILL been $4.57M under the line. So, they basically made themselves look like a bunch of cheap bastards because LQ wouldn't authorize another $833k.

If they wouldn't spend that money on one of their own players, why should anyone expect that they would ever spend it on someone else down the line?



Well, they aren't going to send Ennis down through waivers. So who do you think was eventually going to need to get bumped down? Kennedy. If he had a ONE WAY deal they would have had to have eaten more of the contract later and looked-to your eyes-as even bigger douches then.

So by your logic, the kid with heart and a penchant for kicking the shit out of his second season (it's statistically proven) is a better candidate for removal than the talented but lazy winger who's proven for three years that he's a bust?

And he did get a one-way deal. If he got a two-way deal, they would have just demoted him to Portland.


Not a BETTER candidate but the only one of the two that could be sacrificed at the time. They wanted Kennedy to take a 2-way deal. Would they rather fire up a time machine and go back and make Staffords deal two-way so they could sign Kennedy too a 1-way deal now? Sure! I think MGMT would love to have both players on 2-way deals as a matter of fact. But, business is business. They are either stuck with Stafford or still hoping he will find his game.

Why are you so immune to the idea of buying out Stafford? This doesn't have to do with one-way deals or two-way deals, this has to do with the (faulty) logic that Ennis getting his spot on the team was facilitated by buying out a kid making chump change who has talent and heart and busts his ass instead of buying out the three-year bust.

_________________
mechaphil


Top
 Profile  
 
X-pensfan
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:16 pm 
Offline
Star Sniper
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:31 am
Posts: 3668
Location: Pittsburgh
BlueandYellow wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Okay, well. I just listened to the entire press conference and here are my thoughts on the matter.

1. While playing on NHL ice, nobody cares where you grew up. I know how it feels, because I am a Ryan Malone fan from Pittsburgh. But look at the team on the ice for what it is. Calm your emotions and just pretend everybody on the team is from your back yard. Not your city, but literally your back yard. Or if you don't have a yard, the nearest patch of grass (10'x10') will do. Then, base your opinion of the team as a whole without Kennedy on it. With all due respect to him, he is not blessed with the physical attributes needed to thrive as a checking line winger in the NHL and his skill level is half that of an Ennis. I love his heart and feistiness, I really do. And I wish he was on the team with that 2-way contract that was offered him. But he's not, and I wish him well.

2. The team has a self proposed cap. Not a hard cap mind you, but for whatever reasons MGMT are NOT spending to the NHL cap ceiling this summer. Could be that there isn't anybody worth spending that kind of money on this summer. Could be that they need to cut back a little now, so they can spend more later. Could be that they are preparing for Myers gigantic contract extension next year or the year after. Could be that they are bracing for a trade at the deadline. Speculate away.

3. Regier did right by the team. He sacrificed from a position of abundance, and lets face it the Sabres have a lot of REALLY good wingers of all ages on the team. So that he could strengthen a weakness on the team. A defense man that will protect the teams most important asset, pick up a great deal of the slack left behind from Lydman, and continue to provide the team with better size for those long grueling playoffs runs that we all want to happen VERY soon. And he's only 27, probably a better catch then Sutton due to his discipline and durability. And he's not a douche either, I don't like Sutton.


Finally, I think Sabres MGMT once again conducted themselves in a professional, compassionate manner and DR in particular has said all the right things once again.

Very good points but I must respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts. When was the last time the Sabres spend a crap load on any player (oh yeah, we do have a 50 million dollar man who is WELL WORTH that kind of money :doh: ), let alone make a big trade. Really good wingers???? Seriously??? Who are these "really good wingers," and where were they last season.

Yes, we have a pretty solid defense now but how about some scoring? You need to be able to score in order to win and I don't see it. Unless someone lights a fire under these forwards asses, you can keep dreaming about a championship.


Again, sorry about the rant.....just trying to vent a little.



I whole heartedly agree that the primary need for this team after last season was a big. scoring forward. Not just BIG as in game breaking potential but physically as well and preferably a center that would replace Connolly ASAP. But where are they? There's nobody out there I would want to lock up to a long term deal and there wasn't earlier either. The only way left is to draft (Kassian is waiting in the wings-sick pun fully intended) the guy, wait until next summer, or trade. They retain the cap flexibility to trade later on and I would like to think that they have the depth, and the resources to pull off a big move down the line.

Vanek has had a bad run as of late. He has not been worth the big contract over the past couple of seasons. But he is without a doubt one of the brightest young wingers in the game of hockey. He's a 40 goal scorer, look around the league and tell me how many wingers could score 40 next season. I don't want to over hype Ennis based off of a 10 game snippet but I see no reason to doubt his ability to put up 50^ points next season as a rookie. Pominville has 70^ point talent. They have great checking line wingers, the role in which Kennedy was asked to play. And then there are a few other guys with 50 point potential including Staffard.

I wouldn't say that the Sabres have a top 5 collection of wingers (from 1-8), but top 10 for sure.

Will Kennedy's offense be missed? No. It will be improved upon, by Ennis. And they retain roster flexibility for other young forwards who may be riding an AHL hot streak while an NHL player is rather cold.

Building a Stanley Cup champion is real tough to do especially while maintaining a good team in the process. But that's what they are doing, and recent events suggest top me that they are heading the right way.


THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING FOR 40 FREAKIN' YEARS.


Yeah, well it aint easy. Might be another 40 years. The way I see it I have two choices. Enjoy the journey and view things with a bigger picture in mind, or freak out and become impatient anytime something is too difficult or complex to understand right away.


Have fun crying on the inside trying to look for a reason why no good scoring talent is here but that lazy fag ass Stafford.

:lol: @ "lazy fag ass"

Yeah, it's not the situation I would have chose for the team. But Stafford is already under contract. If he doesn't shut up and nut up next season there will be no way for MGMT to keep faith in him and he will be moved. But is Kennedy an upgrade over Stafford in a scoring line role? Maybe his overall game is better but I think Stafford still has more scoring potential.

_________________
"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger


Top
 Profile  
 
Squanto
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:19 pm 
Offline
Carlos Spicy-Wiener
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:31 am
Posts: 9240
Location: FAP TURBO
X-pensfan wrote:
Well, they aren't going to send Ennis down through waivers. So who do you think was eventually going to need to get bumped down? Kennedy. If he had a ONE WAY deal they would have had to have eaten more of the contract later and looked-to your eyes-as even bigger douches then.


Tyler Ennis and Nathan Gerbe are both exempt from waivers, and are both on two way contracts.

They could have kept Kennedy and sent Gerbe down to Portland. It would have cost them a grand total of $212,500 more.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 364 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: