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BlueandYellow
 Post subject: Re: Lee Stempniak
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:50 pm 
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hes a low risk/high reward kinda guy, i think. you know you are going to get 35 points in his worst seasons, and may get 30 goals if the stars align.


Precisely, its like people are saying Stafford is a better player than him. Maybe potential wise, but right now its Stempniak with the leg up.


I don't think anyone has said that Stafford is a better player. The point has been made that they are very similar players in terms of production.

And I would argue that Stafford has the leg up right now since he has a contract and Stempniak does not. :)


Stafford has a contract because he was amazing in his rookie season and showed potential, and now is shit. Stempniak deserves a spot more than Stafford.

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I wouldn't argue that really. But, it is what it is.


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Yeah... I don't get how he isn't signed. He can get you goals...

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Squanto
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His agent is most likely trying to sell him as the post-deadline Lee Stempniak, and asking WAAAY too much money,


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His agent is most likely trying to sell him as the post-deadline Lee Stempniak, and asking WAAAY too much money,


Bingo, if we could get him at 3 million by all means do it.

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$3M is an overpayment for Stempniak. Period.


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$3M is an overpayment for Stempniak. Period.


A good deal for Stempniak is around 2 mill.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
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$3M is an overpayment for Stempniak. Period.


A good deal for Stempniak is around 2 mill.


After a 28 goal season? Come on 3 mill on a 1 or 2 year contract is not bad, if he doesnt keep up the production you trade him or wait it out and release him. I mean what we pay guys clearly is irrelevant on this team seeing as Gaustad gets 2.5 mill a year to get 12 goals a total 22 pts and be a minus player on top of it.

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His agent is most likely trying to sell him as the post-deadline Lee Stempniak, and asking WAAAY too much money,


Exactly, they're selling the winger who scored 14 goals in his last 18 games, not the winger who scored 25 goals in 136 games prior to that...

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ZacKrell wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
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$3M is an overpayment for Stempniak. Period.


A good deal for Stempniak is around 2 mill.


After a 28 goal season? Come on 3 mill on a 1 or 2 year contract is not bad, if he doesnt keep up the production you trade him or wait it out and release him. I mean what we pay guys clearly is irrelevant on this team seeing as Gaustad gets 2.5 mill a year to get 12 goals a total 22 pts and be a minus player on top of it.


Gaustad is paid to do many things, and scoring isn't at the top of the list. He's a fourth line center. You can't expect him to put up 20 goals, 50 points when he plays 8-10 minutes a night. He was also singed at a time where 2.5 million was a pretty good deal. It still isn't that bad of a deal, considering what he brings. Irrelevant, he isn't...

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Seanothan27 wrote:
ZacKrell wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Squanto wrote:
$3M is an overpayment for Stempniak. Period.


A good deal for Stempniak is around 2 mill.


After a 28 goal season? Come on 3 mill on a 1 or 2 year contract is not bad, if he doesnt keep up the production you trade him or wait it out and release him. I mean what we pay guys clearly is irrelevant on this team seeing as Gaustad gets 2.5 mill a year to get 12 goals a total 22 pts and be a minus player on top of it.


Gaustad is paid to do many things, and scoring isn't at the top of the list. He's a fourth line center. You can't expect him to put up 20 goals, 50 points when he plays 8-10 minutes a night. He was also singed at a time where 2.5 million was a pretty good deal. It still isn't that bad of a deal, considering what he brings. Irrelevant, he isn't...


Im sure we're paying him to win faceoffs then right? Cuz if you say its for him to fight and be a leader that way it surely cant be that because he has only had one season where he had more than 100 PIMS and he still only got 108 PIMS. If we're paying him to be our tough guy leader on the ice he sure isnt showing it much in that regard.

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ZacKrell wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Squanto wrote:
$3M is an overpayment for Stempniak. Period.


A good deal for Stempniak is around 2 mill.


After a 28 goal season? Come on 3 mill on a 1 or 2 year contract is not bad, if he doesnt keep up the production you trade him or wait it out and release him. I mean what we pay guys clearly is irrelevant on this team seeing as Gaustad gets 2.5 mill a year to get 12 goals a total 22 pts and be a minus player on top of it.


Who cares what Gaustad makes. That's not relevant to this discussion.

The question is: Is Stempniak worth spending $3M per year on? Looking at the larger picture (beyond his 14 game outburst last year) would tell you that answer should be no.


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ZacKrell wrote:
Seanothan27 wrote:
ZacKrell wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Squanto wrote:
$3M is an overpayment for Stempniak. Period.


A good deal for Stempniak is around 2 mill.


After a 28 goal season? Come on 3 mill on a 1 or 2 year contract is not bad, if he doesnt keep up the production you trade him or wait it out and release him. I mean what we pay guys clearly is irrelevant on this team seeing as Gaustad gets 2.5 mill a year to get 12 goals a total 22 pts and be a minus player on top of it.


Gaustad is paid to do many things, and scoring isn't at the top of the list. He's a fourth line center. You can't expect him to put up 20 goals, 50 points when he plays 8-10 minutes a night. He was also singed at a time where 2.5 million was a pretty good deal. It still isn't that bad of a deal, considering what he brings. Irrelevant, he isn't...


Im sure we're paying him to win faceoffs then right? Cuz if you say its for him to fight and be a leader that way it surely cant be that because he has only had one season where he had more than 100 PIMS and he still only got 108 PIMS. If we're paying him to be our tough guy leader on the ice he sure isnt showing it much in that regard.


You don't need PIMS to be a tough guy leader. He sticks up for other players. He gets into a decent amount of fights. He roughs people up if they go after our stars.

Oh, and Lee Stempniak isn't worth 3 mill. He had a streak, which doesn't mean he will put up those numbers regularly.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
ZacKrell wrote:
Seanothan27 wrote:
ZacKrell wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Squanto wrote:
$3M is an overpayment for Stempniak. Period.


A good deal for Stempniak is around 2 mill.


After a 28 goal season? Come on 3 mill on a 1 or 2 year contract is not bad, if he doesnt keep up the production you trade him or wait it out and release him. I mean what we pay guys clearly is irrelevant on this team seeing as Gaustad gets 2.5 mill a year to get 12 goals a total 22 pts and be a minus player on top of it.


Gaustad is paid to do many things, and scoring isn't at the top of the list. He's a fourth line center. You can't expect him to put up 20 goals, 50 points when he plays 8-10 minutes a night. He was also singed at a time where 2.5 million was a pretty good deal. It still isn't that bad of a deal, considering what he brings. Irrelevant, he isn't...


Im sure we're paying him to win faceoffs then right? Cuz if you say its for him to fight and be a leader that way it surely cant be that because he has only had one season where he had more than 100 PIMS and he still only got 108 PIMS. If we're paying him to be our tough guy leader on the ice he sure isnt showing it much in that regard.


You don't need PIMS to be a tough guy leader. He sticks up for other players. He gets into a decent amount of fights. He roughs people up if they go after our stars.

Oh, and Lee Stempniak isn't worth 3 mill. He had a streak, which doesn't mean he will put up those numbers regularly.



I still dont see how you justified 2.5 mill on Goose. Dont get me wrong i like him as a 4th liner but you dont put that kinda money into a 4th line non-scorer.

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I still dont see how you justified 2.5 mill on Goose. Dont get me wrong i like him as a 4th liner but you dont put that kinda money into a 4th line non-scorer.


2007/08 82GP 10G 26A 36P

Had he been healthy the last 2 years (he's missed 37 games) he would have easily matched those numbers, 30-40 points as a 4th line center, while being responsible defensively and being a leader is worth 2.5 million dollars in my mind.

Stempniak, until he proves that he can consistently rack up 25-30 goals a year, is not worth more that 2 million

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I still dont see how you justified 2.5 mill on Goose. Dont get me wrong i like him as a 4th liner but you dont put that kinda money into a 4th line non-scorer.


Who ever said it was justified? To a man, just about everyone here has said they like what Goose brings, but can't stand his salary.


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Squanto wrote:
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$3M is an overpayment for Stempniak. Period.


A good deal for Stempniak is around 2 mill.


After a 28 goal season? Come on 3 mill on a 1 or 2 year contract is not bad, if he doesnt keep up the production you trade him or wait it out and release him. I mean what we pay guys clearly is irrelevant on this team seeing as Gaustad gets 2.5 mill a year to get 12 goals a total 22 pts and be a minus player on top of it.


Who cares what Gaustad makes. That's not relevant to this discussion.

The question is: Is Stempniak worth spending $3M per year on? Looking at the larger picture (beyond his 14 game outburst last year) would tell you that answer should be no.


It has a little bit to do with it seeing as we're trying to put a price tag on a player, so why not compare stats with a player already under contract with the Sabres?

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Completely different roles and expectations. Comparing the two is pointless.

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they are different roles, but goose is VASTLY overpaid.

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NO ONE is saying he isn't.

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