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How do you convince someone that it makes absolutely no sense to ignore evidence from a primary source in favor of the media's spin on something when they blatantly lie and can be proven to have lied about the most fundamental facts. Oh well. Holy crap I hate the news in all its forms.

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How do you convince someone that it makes absolutely no sense to ignore evidence from a primary source in favor of the media's spin on something when they blatantly lie and can be proven to have lied about the most fundamental facts. Oh well. Holy crap I hate the news in all its forms.


I eventually won this so it does not matter anymore. :P

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It is true, DVD's came about in our generation and I remember the Windows 95, 98, ME, and XP clearly and how dial up was basically all we had.


Well come on now, I still use XP. I think it still has a larger market share than any other OS.

I started with a DOS machine, about a year later we put Windows on it. Had a whopping 2 mb of RAM and a 14.4 mbps modem. And that would probably make me look pretty young.

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It was just much more expensive and much crappier. I do think that listening to radio for hours just to listen to one song to record it (only to have the DJ talk over the end) is at least one universal experience that wasn't contingent upon that, though. I just explained to my eight-year-old brother that when I was ten and my family got our first computer, the average YouTube video would have taken a couple of hours to download. He was incredulous.

I hope I never stop being amazed at all of it lol. It's fascinating just watching the effect that it has on people.


I used to have a cassette almost constantly recording when I had the radio on...whenever there was a song I wanted to keep, I'd dub it over to another tape and then record over the first tape.

I should go dig out those tapes. I know I haven't thrown them away. See how many times Danny Nevereth's voice cuts in.

And it's hard to imagine a world without digital cameras.

I know, I'm not old at all, but some people don't ever remember using a Windows 95 machine. I clearly remember 98 to a T as alot of computers that run 2000 look like Win98.

And it was seemed like it was around the 2000 timeline that cell phones REALLY took off, and then about what, 5 years ago texting is the biggest hit with cell phones.

I remember when the PS2 came out and the Xbox came out and online console gaming in it's infancy.

I remember some of the first digital camera's, they were huge because you needed a 3.5in floppy disk for a picture and they could only take 5 pictures.


Well, I remember when N64 came out, and I think we're pretty close in age...but nevermind that.

It's part of a bigger realization though - that younger kids today almost seem like they are from a different generation.

I was talking to a kid the other day who is entering 8th grade. To me, that doesn't seem so different - it seriously feels like I was just in 8th grade, even though that was over 5 years ago. But I was almost astounded when he said that he had no recollection of September 11. He was only 4 at the time, though. As I'm sure is the case to everyone else, that is an event that is etched in my mind as clear as when it happened, and it seems like it wasn't that long ago. But to them, it was a different time. They've essentially grown up in a world where it was an event of the past.

That's not the only thing either, but it is one event that stands out.

Jael summed it up well when she said, "And I'm still a kid." I'm the same way - I still think of myself as a kid. Yeah, maybe I'm legally an adult, but that perspective is only slowly changing...while I may not be as much of a kid as I was 5 or 10 years ago, I still think of myself as a kid. But yet I see the disconnect between people that are my age and today's "kids" and it's just...astounding. Times change so fast.

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Plethora of things.

Lack of money is putting a strain on the family (and myself), I miss my best friends who moved away for at least two years, my boyfriend is 3 hours away and I miss him, I hate being home, I've been sick pretty much for the past 2 weeks.

Blah.


But school starts in two weeks...surely that is something to look forward to?

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How do you convince someone that it makes absolutely no sense to ignore evidence from a primary source in favor of the media's spin on something when they blatantly lie and can be proven to have lied about the most fundamental facts. Oh well. Holy crap I hate the news in all its forms.


Oh, absolutely. I know that feeling all too well. People will, for some reason, trust the mainstream media even when they are either wrong or spinning something out of proportion - and the indisputable facts seem to mean nothing.


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Sabres2Sabres wrote:
Well, I remember when N64 came out, and I think we're pretty close in age...but nevermind that.

It's part of a bigger realization though - that younger kids today almost seem like they are from a different generation.

I was talking to a kid the other day who is entering 8th grade. To me, that doesn't seem so different - it seriously feels like I was just in 8th grade, even though that was over 5 years ago. But I was almost astounded when he said that he had no recollection of September 11. He was only 4 at the time, though. As I'm sure is the case to everyone else, that is an event that is etched in my mind as clear as when it happened, and it seems like it wasn't that long ago. But to them, it was a different time. They've essentially grown up in a world where it was an event of the past.

That's not the only thing either, but it is one event that stands out.

Jael summed it up well when she said, "And I'm still a kid." I'm the same way - I still think of myself as a kid. Yeah, maybe I'm legally an adult, but that perspective is only slowly changing...while I may not be as much of a kid as I was 5 or 10 years ago, I still think of myself as a kid. But yet I see the disconnect between people that are my age and today's "kids" and it's just...astounding. Times change so fast.


Exactly. There is a generational divide between me and my 13-year-old cousin. There is even a significant difference between my childhood experience and that of my 16-year-old brother. He's only four years younger than I am, but technology is developing rapidly enough and perspective is changing quickly enough to allow that. It's one huge sort of "what is going on" thing when you actually sit down and think about it for a few minutes. I remember meeting people at the gate in airports. People only two years younger than I am don't, in most cases. Things that were science fiction when I was a child are reality now and have been for several years. It has only been 10-15 years since then. My youngest brother was a week old when 9/11 happened. He's never known a world without the Homeland Security mindset that has trickled down even into family life. He's never known life without that paranoia. Neither have my two next oldest brothers. The three of them have no idea what it is to have a childhood completely devoid of the internet. I seriously can't relate to kids that I should traditionally be able to relate to on a generational level according to our ages, and it's weird. I relate to people ten years older than I am more than I do to people five years younger, when it comes to that. I can swap childhood experiences with 30-year-olds, but not 15-year-olds. What in the world.

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That's exactly it. It's weird thinking that if I were to be that age now, things would be so different. It doesn't seem like things should change that much in just a few years, but that's what's happening.

One of my neighbors thought it was weird to call a friend's house and ask to speak to them. Isn't that how you would get in contact with a person? Yeah, I don't do it that much nowadays because most people I know have a cell phone...but heck, I still have a few friends without cell phones, and that's how you call them.

But more so, why do these kids have cell phones? When I was in high school, most people had a cell phone, which is completely different than any previous generation, but now I see kids that are 11 or 12 years old with cell phones. Not only that, they have cell phones with texting and internet and whatnot. Why is that necessary? Why should an 11 year old have a cell phone? Are we to the point where it is needed to enable social relationships? Because it's pretty sad if that's the case. I didn't get a cell phone until I got a car, and I never felt left out.

I guess it's that weird time...when you're not exactly a kid anymore, but you still kind of are. Very hard to relate to people that are just a little younger.

But that's part of what's fascinating about life...the way things change with time.


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Cell phones became popular my junior year of high school (06-07). I played basketball my sophomore and junior years. On the bus home from games sophomore year, almost all the kids (three teams traveled together in the same bus) would borrow cell phones from the three that had them to call their parents to tell them where they were on the highway. Junior year, I was one of probably seven or eight kids that still had to do that, and by senior year I was the only one in my class without a cell phone. (I didn't have one until about a week before I left for college because I saw no need for one; I will never be a technophile.) Now it's gotten to the point where talking to a friend on the phone seems pretty organic. Hahaha. I loathe texting unless it's used for, "I'm here; where are you? Let's hang out," purposes. The 160-character limit is horrible. It's terrible, too, that YouTube comments can only be a certain length... I don't know very well that future generations will know what real discourse and debate and thought is, but then politicians destroyed that in this country, anyway, as soon as the television became widely used. The public is lulled into deeper apathy with every new technology.

Basically, this:

(Finding this book and discovering this author in high school were like experiencing heaven for me at the time. He articulated so very well what I thought but had been unable to express at the time, and that was something I needed in high school because I felt separate from those around me and received no affirmation from them. I found the book because it was quoted in a textbook, and I loved the quote so much that I looked it up. Now he is one of my favorite authors, and I wish he were still around to write more.)

I'm done now. Perhaps. Haha.

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Cell phones became popular my junior year of high school (06-07). I played basketball my sophomore and junior years. On the bus home from games sophomore year, almost all the kids (three teams traveled together in the same bus) would borrow cell phones from the three that had them to call their parents to tell them where they were on the highway. Junior year, I was one of probably seven or eight kids that still had to do that, and by senior year I was the only one in my class without a cell phone. (I didn't have one until about a week before I left for college because I saw no need for one; I will never be a technophile.) Now it's gotten to the point where talking to a friend on the phone seems pretty organic. Hahaha. I loathe texting unless it's used for, "I'm here; where are you? Let's hang out," purposes. The 160-character limit is horrible. It's terrible, too, that YouTube comments can only be a certain length... I don't know very well that future generations will know what real discourse and debate and thought is, but then politicians destroyed that in this country, anyway, as soon as the television became widely used. The public is lulled into deeper apathy with every new technology.

Basically, this:

(Finding this book and discovering this author in high school were like experiencing heaven for me at the time. He articulated so very well what I thought but had been unable to express at the time, and that was something I needed in high school because I felt separate from those around me and received no affirmation from them. I found the book because it was quoted in a textbook, and I loved the quote so much that I looked it up. Now he is one of my favorite authors, and I wish he were still around to write more.)

I'm done now. Perhaps. Haha.



I didn't have a cell phone until November, 2004, almost halfway through my freshman year of college. I didn't have a non-tracphone (pay as you go) until 2008.

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i'm getting so old. ashley and i both have our associates degrees and are moving on to our respective majors to acquire a b.a.

that means there are only a couple of years left in buffalo until we move back to philly and start teaching. yes, teaching. i'm still trying to come to terms with the fact that i am now at the age where i'm supposed to have a career and know what i am doing, because no one ever really knows what they're doing.

i still write, but classes have caused the time i spend writing to be diminished. i know my word will probably never be anything, and that doesn't bother me, but i wish we didn't have roles in life. i don't want to be just an english teacher in philadelphia. i never will be. i don't think that can be understood sometimes, though, especially by a complete stranger. some things can only be identified by what we know. the sun is the center of our universe, and everything revolves around it. that is all we know in general, and our scope of understanding is so limited that it really begs the question: is rational thought a blessing or a curse?

it's hard to accept that the generations of the 90s and 00s are over. more people i know are dying, and the world seems cheaper once they are gone. one day i'll join them. until then, i suppose i'll keep feeling more and more out of place.

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But school starts in two weeks...surely that is something to look forward to?


Yeah. That's about it.


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Cell phones became popular my junior year of high school (06-07). I played basketball my sophomore and junior years. On the bus home from games sophomore year, almost all the kids (three teams traveled together in the same bus) would borrow cell phones from the three that had them to call their parents to tell them where they were on the highway. Junior year, I was one of probably seven or eight kids that still had to do that, and by senior year I was the only one in my class without a cell phone. (I didn't have one until about a week before I left for college because I saw no need for one; I will never be a technophile.) Now it's gotten to the point where talking to a friend on the phone seems pretty organic. Hahaha. I loathe texting unless it's used for, "I'm here; where are you? Let's hang out," purposes. The 160-character limit is horrible. It's terrible, too, that YouTube comments can only be a certain length... I don't know very well that future generations will know what real discourse and debate and thought is, but then politicians destroyed that in this country, anyway, as soon as the television became widely used. The public is lulled into deeper apathy with every new technology.

Basically, this:

(Finding this book and discovering this author in high school were like experiencing heaven for me at the time. He articulated so very well what I thought but had been unable to express at the time, and that was something I needed in high school because I felt separate from those around me and received no affirmation from them. I found the book because it was quoted in a textbook, and I loved the quote so much that I looked it up. Now he is one of my favorite authors, and I wish he were still around to write more.)

I'm done now. Perhaps. Haha.


I've still not caught on to the whole cell phone thing, I don't have a FB and calling is definitely something I avoid... I'm trapped in a pre-technology mindset in a post 9/11 world. I don't yet fully understand the paranoia, because it's something I haven't truly felt yet. I remember being in like 2nd grade and told a plane ran into the WTC, but even then I thought it was just some idiot who was bad at flying and the tower would be o.k. I see kids all the time at like 11 years old with cell phones and i can't help but wonder why? What could possibly be so important for an 11 year old to need a phone?

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Cell phones became popular my junior year of high school (06-07). I played basketball my sophomore and junior years. On the bus home from games sophomore year, almost all the kids (three teams traveled together in the same bus) would borrow cell phones from the three that had them to call their parents to tell them where they were on the highway. Junior year, I was one of probably seven or eight kids that still had to do that, and by senior year I was the only one in my class without a cell phone. (I didn't have one until about a week before I left for college because I saw no need for one; I will never be a technophile.) Now it's gotten to the point where talking to a friend on the phone seems pretty organic. Hahaha. I loathe texting unless it's used for, "I'm here; where are you? Let's hang out," purposes. The 160-character limit is horrible. It's terrible, too, that YouTube comments can only be a certain length... I don't know very well that future generations will know what real discourse and debate and thought is, but then politicians destroyed that in this country, anyway, as soon as the television became widely used. The public is lulled into deeper apathy with every new technology.

Basically, this:

(Finding this book and discovering this author in high school were like experiencing heaven for me at the time. He articulated so very well what I thought but had been unable to express at the time, and that was something I needed in high school because I felt separate from those around me and received no affirmation from them. I found the book because it was quoted in a textbook, and I loved the quote so much that I looked it up. Now he is one of my favorite authors, and I wish he were still around to write more.)

I'm done now. Perhaps. Haha.


I've still not caught on to the whole cell phone thing, I don't have a FB and calling is definitely something I avoid... I'm trapped in a pre-technology mindset in a post 9/11 world. I don't yet fully understand the paranoia, because it's something I haven't truly felt yet. I remember being in like 2nd grade and told a plane ran into the WTC, but even then I thought it was just some idiot who was bad at flying and the tower would be o.k. I see kids all the time at like 11 years old with cell phones and i can't help but wonder why? What could possibly be so important for an 11 year old to need a phone?


I agree with both of you in many ways. When I had a cell phone in HS, I didn't need it at all. In fact, I would've probably been better off without one. I have one now because I need one (work). I did have a facebook, but got tired of it (and honestly, who gives a shit what I'm doing and what my status is?). I work for a website now, and a lot of our fans come through facebook, digg, twitter, reddit, forums, etc. All of which my boss uses, and does well I might add. I'm on a few forums, digg, and LinkedIn, but stay away from facebook, twitter, and myspace. Technology has helped me out big time by getting me a writing job, but I don't let it get to the point where it controls my life. If I find that I am spending too much time on my computer, I'll take a break and go read a book or take my dog outside and do something. I'm not tweeting, updating my status, and leaving OMG LOL IDK TTYL comments. Technology can be a very useful tool for business, but I'll use it only if I have to.

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My cell phone right now hasn't been charged in weeks, and I left the charger at my friend's house in Maryland lol. I never use it when I'm home, only at school, and that's only every week or so when one of my parents calls or when a friend texts to see if I can hang out. It's just, what problem is further technology fixing at this point...? It seems to have gone from, initially, addressing deficiencies to causing them. (Edit eight million years later: I meant this purely in a household sort of way... Obviously further technology will never not be helpful in a professional and especially medical sense.)

I have a Facebook, but if it weren't the only way of communicating with some of my friends when not in school I wouldn't. I do use it frequently, but if more people started using Skype or something I wouldn't have one. Facebook is weird, anyway. I get random updates with no context from the lives of people that I really don't care about. Even the majority of my friends and I don't contact each other during the summer outside of commenting on each other's status updates, which gives the illusion of being involved in each other's lives but in reality isn't anything close to that. It's kind of stupid, actually. It's not stupid if the friends list is limited to internet friends, but pretty much nobody's is, including mine. :P

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My cell phone right now hasn't been charged in weeks, and I left the charger at my friend's house in Maryland lol. I never use it when I'm home, only at school, and that's only every week or so when one of my parents calls or when a friend texts to see if I can hang out. It's just, what problem is further technology fixing at this point...? It seems to have gone from, initially, addressing deficiencies to causing them. (Edit eight million years later: I meant this purely in a household sort of way... Obviously further technology will never not be helpful in a professional and especially medical sense.)

I have a Facebook, but if it weren't the only way of communicating with some of my friends when not in school I wouldn't. I do use it frequently, but if more people started using Skype or something I wouldn't have one. Facebook is weird, anyway. I get random updates with no context from the lives of people that I really don't care about. Even the majority of my friends and I don't contact each other during the summer outside of commenting on each other's status updates, which gives the illusion of being involved in each other's lives but in reality isn't anything close to that. It's kind of stupid, actually. It's not stupid if the friends list is limited to internet friends, but pretty much nobody's is, including mine. :P


But that is what Facebook is for. You don't want to actually TALK to the people, you just want to see what they're doing...

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Speaking of phones, I just upgraded to a Samsung Convoy. Figured the ruggedized approach would be the best because I abuse the crap out of my possessions, and I didn't want any extra features because then I would become dependent on them and don't want that to happen haha. Weeeee.

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