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BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:10 pm 
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I've read some comments, and I hope a mod can lock this ASAP because sparks are going to fly harder than the 4th of July, but if we could steer clear of the religion topic, that would be great. I was kind of offended at some comments such as this.

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Because a few thousand years ago some guys got togther, concocted the newest "sun god" scheme, and it's stuck.

The Bible's a fairy tale that profits the church and feeds on peoples' fear of the unknown.



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And the entire planet is sick of getting shit on by Christianity, so get used to some backlash.



Since I am Christian, I don't think it's really right to insult people who aren't the wacko Christians. Please, don't ear rape every Christian on here for doing nothing but saying what their religion is.

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Only thing I ask is, what has Christianity done so bad in your life that you hate it so much?

You don't need to answer that, but why bash on our beliefs when you have yours and we have ours? Is it fair for you to bash a Religion and if we say something about it, we're psycho christian nuts then, because we try and protect what we believe in, and if we try to bash you guys, we're trying to push the Religion on you guys.

I'm done trying to argue Religion on a free board, because it always ends the same way, everyone throws ideas to support their side, and no one will ever agree no matter how hard they try to convince others.

I believe in my ways and you believe in yours, respect it because no matter what you say to try and persuade me, my beliefs won't change so no need to try either.

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i dont mind if people hate religion. thats fine, theres alot of aspects about religion i dont care for myself, but i still believe in god and i think it makes me a better person.

what i dont like, is people constantly reminding me how much religion sucks. i get it, but every single time religion is brought up, someone has to come along and say how much they hate it and such. as ive said so many times, feel free to have your own beliefs, but dont fuck with peoples faiths.

the whole "anti-christian" agenda is just as annoying as christians are to the people who dont believe in it. and when we had a thread that was dedicated to bible verses (ive never read the bible, im not a gung ho christian) and pants had to come in and completely turn it into a pile of shit because he was such an assbag.

im basically an extremely liberal christian.

there, ive said my peace.

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My personal opinion is that it's bullshit that someone can bring religion into a topic, get all bent out of shape when someone questions the subject THEY themselves brought up.


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We have a bad history discussing religion on any level around here.
Regardless of how benign or who initiated it...hell it makes politics seem reasonable.
I say we drop it and move on.

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Christianity hasn't done anything to offend me whatsoever, holier-than-though Christians have. If I tell you I don't believe, don't tell me I'm going to hell. Mind your own fucking business. And sure as shit don't you fucking dare look down on me for my beliefs, because I'll throw fallacy after fallacy and line after line of hypocritical bullshit FROM YOUR HOLY BOOK right the fuck back at you.

Let me ask you this - if Christianity is founded on belief that god impregnated a woman who then gave birth and whose child eventually "sacrificed" himself for "our" sins, then were the Mayans and Aztecs not right in believing in their sun gods? Are Muslims not right in their belief in Allah and the prophet Muhammed? They had/have as much proof as you do.

Edit - removed the more offensive content in an attempt to have a decent discussion, or at least save face before the thread is locked.

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I hope we can move on, but if religion is ever brought up, regardless of who brought it up, I just hope nobody will push/bash religion. It's going to come up, there's no stopping it, but someone who says your religion/beliefs is a crock of shit makes you pissed off. We don't need to bash other people for what they believe in. This isn't the crusades here, people.

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i believe there are many paths to god. muslims and buddists and christians? all the same guy. just a difference in worship and view of it.

people can have their own beliefs, i wont say a thing about it. but if someone comes around and says there is no god, and im wrong, or im stupid for it, you better as shit believe i will jump all over it.

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What Squanto said. You guys bring religion into some secular topic, and then get all bent out of shape when people dont talk about it as you'd like.

And one more thing, I dont understand why the talk of a bunch of heathens who are going to hell affects you guys SOOOO much, isnt your faith enough for you to be secure in your beliefs? Surely, nothing we say should have any impact on people so sure of their spiritual correctness.


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Christianity hasn't done anything to offend me whatsoever, holier-than-though Christians have. If I tell you I don't believe, don't tell me I'm going to hell. Mind your own fucking business. And sure as shit don't you fucking dare look down on me for my beliefs, because I'll throw fallacy after fallacy and line after line of hypocritical bullshit FROM YOUR HOLY BOOK right the fuck back at you.

Let me ask you this - if Christianity is founded on belief that god impregnated a woman who then gave birth and whose child eventually "sacrificed" himself for "our" sins, then were the Mayans and Aztecs not right in believing in their sun gods? Are Muslims not right in their belief in Allah and the prophet Muhammed? They had/have as much proof as you do.

Edit - removed the more offensive content in an attempt to have a decent discussion, or at least save face before the thread is locked.



To say what is the answer and we are wrong makes you no better than the FUCKING 10% OF CHRISTIANS THAT PUSH THEIR RELIGION. YOU'RE ACTING EXACTLY LIKE THEM.

We never insulted your beliefs, you just choose to be a douche bag about it because of less than 10% of our religion's population says so. I have seen atheists spew more hateful and "my beliefs are right" shit than any Christian I know. I for one just say I believe in God and that's it. I get shit for it from Atheists but do I ever say their wrong? I respect their damn opinions and move right the fuck on.

Because I don't know what happens when I die. If someone believed in a giant dildo to be the king of everything I wouldn't bash them for it, because WHO KNOWS. Nobody.

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maybe heaven is a hot chick using that dildo for everyone to see. id go to that heaven.

what?

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
maybe heaven is a hot chick using that dildo for everyone to see. id go to that heaven.

what?



Man, how cool would the christian church have turned out (instead of what it seems to be) if THAT was what they considered heaven.


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id go every day! with a box of tissues and a bottle of lotion and a mouth guard in case i bite my lip too hard.

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A lot of people don't like Christianity because of the perceived hypocrisy. Some passages of the bible are followed strictly while others are wholly ignored.

Some people think an institution that has changed little over the years simply is not applicable in a modern world.

Others feel, and I think this is what Squanto is getting at, that religion and organizations of religion are often put on a pedestal and not held to the same standards as the rest of society.

I don't argue with the merits and benefits people can gain from a strong PERSONAL faith and PERSONAL relationship with god. I have a friend who'd been in and out of psychiatric institutions who would probably be dead by her own hand were it not for her finding solace in christianity.

I never agreed with the concept of congregational 'worship' even as a young kid in the Lutheran Church. It always seemed like faith is and was a deeply personal subject (and certainly that's usually the first defense the religious mount when their views are under attack). I think it produces a bit of a mob mentality when it comes to some issues, and leads to a lack of accountability. That having been said, I know that some people gain a certain strength from being a part of a group like that, and good for them.

A lot of ire that people hold is probably more directed at the Catholic Church than Christianity in general. And perhaps rightfully so. The Catholic Church is an organization whose authority figures (not all, but several) have been guilty of pedophilia, molestation, and child abuse. In any other organization, those offenders would be thrown in jail and left to experience the very same horrors that they bestowed on the young men they affected. However, accountability has not been the policy of the Catholic Church. Their policy has ranged from denial to "shuffling the cards" (moving priests) to outward defiance of the law (encouraging parishes to falsely declare bankruptcy to avoid paying reparations to abuse victims), to actually paying annuities to abusive priests. I think the mere fact that an organization can get away with that at all is disgusting in itself, let alone the fact that the members of the Catholic Church can continue to give money to an organization paying out child molesters, rather than hold that institution accountable by closing their wallets.

It kills me that Christians act like they're constantly under siege the SECOND that anyone begins to say anything against their faith. (Though I agree that most often such comments are made indelicately). I don't understand how so many religious people can act like they're such a minority when the opposite is actually true.

76% of the country identifies as Christian.

I've seen comments here from people who expected to get bashed for being religious on a secular message board. Really, you should expect to get bashed more solely because it's the internet, and faced with a lack of consequences, that's what people do. Feeling harped on or discriminated against because of religion? Give me a break.

I've always said about Obama that the fact that he's a black president is so utterly unimpressive to me. I'll be impressed when we elect an atheist president. I'm not saying that atheism is a preferable choice to a certain spirituality, and I myself am definitely not an theist. But I don't think we'll even be the least bit enlightened as a society until most people realize that religion and morality can BOTH exist without the other.

You tell people you're a Catholic/Lutheran/whatever, no one cares. I tell people I'm a nonpracticing Pagan/Wiccan, people look at me funny even though all are federally recognized religions in the United States. Phil tells people he's an atheist, and automatically people have preconceived notions and questions about his morality.

That having been said, I agree with some of the complaints of the christians on the board. People can disagree while remaining civil. I gave Pants a ton of shit for basically just being completely insensitive and insightful (note the first draft of my description of him was a bit less kind). And I think we can have religious threads here without them getting locked after two or more pages.

But I also agree with Squanto, acting hurt when people express negative thoughts on religion is a little ridiculous. (Though perhaps justified with some of the comments). Religious people have such a great majority in this country. Virtually every politician represents the agenda and morals of some major religion.

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Let me take this opportunity to ask you religious folks a question. No animosity here, honestly just asking a question i've been wondering about lately.

You guys say it's just a fringe group of christians who are making it bad for the rest of you, how come there appears to be no pressure from the 90% on the 10% who are fucking everything up? You guys, being the rational majority have the responsibility of keeping your whacko fringe in check, or else they will define your entire group. I see plenty of bullshit like religious groups protesting at the funerals of gay soldiers, and I DONT see the backlash that should be there from you guys, from the majority which supposedly does not support such things.


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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Let me take this opportunity to ask you religious folks a question. No animosity here, honestly just asking a question i've been wondering about lately.

You guys say it's just a fringe group of christians who are making it bad for the rest of you, how come there appears to be no pressure from the 90% on the 10% who are fucking everything up? You guys, being the rational majority have the responsibility of keeping your whacko fringe in check, or else they will define your entire group. I see plenty of bullshit like religious groups protesting at the funerals of gay soldiers, and I DONT see the backlash that should be there from you guys, from the majority which supposedly does not support such things.


I would add to that, why is there no pressure on the catholic church from its members to do the right and honorable thing regarding abusive priests, that is, send them straight to jail?

Maybe there is and I'm just not well read enough on the issue to see it.

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i do not support anything the westboro church does. but they have the right to say whatever they want. as sick as it may be. i used to tell the anti abortion protesters outside planned parenthood in kalamazoo to get a job all the time.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Maybe there is and I'm just not well read enough on the issue to see it.


I haven't seen anything.

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Man...I have no desire to get into this but you have some problems here.
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Let me take this opportunity to ask you religious folks a question. No animosity here, honestly just asking a question i've been wondering about lately.

You guys say it's just a fringe group of christians who are making it bad for the rest of you, how come there appears to be no pressure from the 90% on the 10% who are fucking everything up?

You switched from "religious" to "Christians"...wouldn't that question be better pointed at Muslims?
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I see plenty of bullshit like religious groups protesting at the funerals of gay soldiers, and I DONT see the backlash that should be there from you guys, from the majority which supposedly does not support such things.

Really?
Name one outside of the Westboro Baptist fuckheads.
Furthermore, I'd bet a shitload of money a lot of the people that DO protest those assholes are Christians of other denominations.

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I don't get how people can be assholes when all I say is don't say our religion is a crock of shit... We'll never say it. Nobody on this message board that is Christian will flat out say everyone else is wrong. So why say that OURS is to us? Save it for the Christian nuts and not the Christian "normals" on this message board.

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