Yea, an RFID chip in the puck with sensors aligned to signal when it crossed the plane of the goalline would be abut the simplest, most effective method.

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mechaphil

And how do you even know if it would work the way they planned it to?

Have you tried it?

Trying to not be a dick, but if no one has ever tried it, then how would someone know if it would work in practice, in theory almost everything can work.

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chips and sensors and shit.. fuck it. its a human game, played by human beings, watched over by other human beings. put a second camera in the net and leave it alone.

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Gotta get ready for work...no time to pick apart that opinion nicely.

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mechaphil

RFID is not new technology. It was invented in 1945.

You know when you have a pass card to get into a building?
RFID
You know when you shoplift clothes from K-Mart and the alarm goes off when you walk out the door?
RFID
You know when you have a tracking chip implanted in your pets at the SPCA?
RFID
You know those credit cards you can just wave over the reader and they register?
RFID
You know the EZ-Pass that gets you over the Grand Island bridge?
RFID

It's proven technology and has been for decades.
One of its main commercial functions is proximity tracking.
It's ideal for this job.

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well, what do you want? pucks with over priced chips in them that last a few minutes (fox trax pucks lasted no longer then 10 minutes) and then the sensors and the equipment that reads it. thats alot of cash. how are they going to make up for that cash? higher ticket prices. everyone wants that!

plus, you cant put sensors in the goal posts for this to work. the goal posts represent the goal line, and a goal is scored when the puck crosses the goal line. if the sensors were in the posts, they would read when the puck was simply on the goal line. and even a puck that hits the post is on the goal line, so the sensors would probably even read post strikes.

the best way to accomplish something is cameras in the ice behind the goal line that point up through the ice. but that would have to be one small camera.

realistically, missing a puck entering a goal is extremely rare. extremely. not often enough to warrant millions and millions of dollars of new equipment. in theory, its a hell of an idea. but alot of things would need to be changed.

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uh.
They put RFID chips in loafs of bread.
You know that little bubble sticker on the inside of DVD and CD cases? RFID chip.

They're dirt cheap, indestructible, require no batteries and have no moving parts.

Ever seen these before?


You probably have one embedded in your drivers license and you don't even know it.

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Hold my beer and watch this...

And I'm not even saying they *should* use RFID...but if they're entertaining such goofy-ass ideas as a clear net, they should at least think of something a little more useful.

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well, my drivers license doubles as a passport. so it certainly does.

ok, so that answers that. will it register at 95 MPH? where does the parameter end for the sensors? someone said the field of a sensor just keeps going, not stopping at 6 feet. and of course, WHERE would you put these sensors? i already said you cant put it in the posts.

and perhaps the chip isnt expensive, but the sensors would be. the new nets they would need to build would. receivers to alarm people, hey pucks in the net bro.

and 99% of the time, everyone and their dog knows the puck is in the net, and remaining .99% of that 1 percent, a second look will confirm it.

human error is part of sport, and the game is fine the way it is. i dont see the need for it.

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embed it in the ice along the goal line...AFAIK it's just a wire.
You could have the RFID wrap around the edge of the puck and bury the sensor one puck width deep into the net, so if it trips, you know the whole puck was across the line. (of course that doesn't account for the puck being on edge) There could be possibly an array of sensors so you could tell exactly how far past the line the edge of the puck went.

I don't think recording at 90 mph is necessary since those goals aren't usually disputed.

Hell I don't know...just putting it out there...as I linked before, the NFL is testing them in balls and on players so it must be a viable technology for tracking fast action sports precisely.

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i think my idea of something in the ice pointing up works better, IMHO.

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The fact that people are so against even trying these things is telling.

how do you mean? that its fine the way it is?

i personally dont see it as an issue. thats me. human error is human error.

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I don't think they should change anything, but if locating the puck is such a damn problem they should apply some thought and technology...not a lame plexiglass lid on the net.

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Nothing is ever perfect. Everything can be improved. I think that if human error can be minimized, that it should be done, or at least looked at.

The whole 'human error is a part of the sport' is a crock of shit in my opinion. We expect our athletes to be perfect, but we accept imperfections in our officiating?

i dont expect my athletes to be perfect, or my refs, or my owners.

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Meh, the issue of whether a puck is REALLY in is so miniscule, in my opinion, when compared to the seriously alarming discrepancy between different refs. Hell, between refs in different periods, the lack of a standard application of the rules is the really fucked up part. How about that boston series, the double standards, the inconsistency. Should we have won regardless? Of course. Did the refs help the bruins capitalize on our lackluster performance? Hells yeah. We got kinda screwed. imo, thats what really needs fixing, just apply the same rules, all the time, regardless of 1)what the clock says 2)what the score is 3)who's been penalized most in the game so far 4)whether or not it's the playoffs 5)who it is involved in said penalty

i dont mind grey areas as long as its consistent in that game. kinda like how umpires strike zones will change. some will give you the black, some wont. as long as its consistent for that game, thats good. i thought the officiating in the series wasnt good. but thats not why they lost.

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But the officials aren't consistent in their calls...that's the frustrating thing. It seems every season they pick and choose what rules they're really going to crack down on or which ones they're just going to turn a blind eye to.

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Thanks XC, I really didn't know what exactly RFID was until you mentioned the things in shopping centers.

It is a good idea, since all it really is is some sort of magnetized metal.

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