i kinda think hearing from the GM of the team probably holds more weight. the red wings would not have moved 6 million dollars or more of salary in a position they already had so much time and effort, as well as 6 million of their own money invested in the position. would not have happened.

this has been discussed so many times. and no matter what anyone says to put the fire out, someone comes in and says BUT WAIT.

it never would have happened. the red wings would have needed to throw 8 million dollars at miller, who took a huge discount to stay. so, he didnt want to go anywhere. he signed an extension 347 days before he was slated to become a restricted free agent. goaltending problems or not, a team that just won a stanley cup isnt looking forward that far at a potential free agent. the red wings were against the cap, and grooming an american born goalie of their own who possesses the same skillset and technique as miller. and finally, the big one. a team isnt going to be open about pursuing a player NEXT summer, especially a team who has ken holland as their GM. he knows how serious tampering charges are. and holland addressed the situation HIMSELF and said no.

put this to bed, people. the stars never aligned and the red wings never tried to get him. its DEAD.

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Mike, Unrestricted Free Against, not restricted. Miller was going to hit UFA that year.

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you know what i mean, i forgot 2 letters. the points still the same. it wasnt ever going to happen.

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We haven't made it far in the playoffs since 06-07 with Drury and the superstar at the time Briere, WE STILL DIDN'T WIN IT. It's impossible for someone to say we don't need a superstar right now. We aren't going to do any better than last year, which was a first round DETOUR.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

What would you be saying if Vanek and Hecht weren't injured?

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mechaphil

Savard was injured. He could have helped Boston a lot. I'm not saying without the refs help and Vanek and Hecht being injured would still result in a Boston win, we will never know, but we still would probably not have won the cup. We need a superstar player, and we will be pretty much 90% complete and a contender for the cup.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

We have a superstar. You want a dynamic scorer.

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mechaphil

We have Miller as our superstar. Vanek is not. We need a superstar forward.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

I know Miller is out superstar. Everyone knows Miller is our superstar. I was just clarifying, you don't want a superstar per se but a dynamic forward.

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mechaphil

I'm just curious, why isn't Vanek a superstar?

389 games played, 313 points, 172g 141a in his career. Keep in mind, he's been injured the past 2 years as well. Last year he was playing with internal bleeding, broken ribs, and a few other injuries and still managed to put in 28 goals. Pretty impressive for a guy who was playing with legitimate injures, not playing hurt, playing INJURED.

Also when was the last time he had a solid 1st line RW? Max in 06-07. He was a Point Per Game player there. He's not an "Elite" forward like Ovechkin, Crosby, or Iginla, but he's still a superstar forward. The dude will net 40 this year, if he's able to stay healthy. And he will win a Hart at some point in his career, no doubt in my mind.

We need to find him a 1st line RW, granted I think Luke Adam will be that player in 2 years, but right now, Stafford is the biggest thing that's killing him. When he's got another "highly skilled" forward on his line, he's brilliant.

But no, he's not a guy that is going to take a game over by himself. Those players are very rare, but we do have Miller, who is that guy, and has taken games over and won them for us. I really think we are fine this year. I think we're much better at this point now, than we were last year.

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"She's like plan C after an 18 pack"

Squanto 7/27/2010

goaltenders are a special breed. they are different because they play all 60 minutes, thus their impact is much larger. so on any given night, any goalie can take over a game. the parity between goalies is amazing. the game isnt like it was in the late 90s, when hasek was so far ahead of everyone, he took a team that would have finished 12th in the east to the finals. haseks impact was THAT huge. teams can still ride a hot goalie far, but its not like that anymore. thats why no matter how much i love miller, and how great i think he is, he will never ever come close to hasek. hasek in his prime was so much better then any other goalie has ever been. it was as if he was playing in a novice league from 96-99.

we have our superstar, thats true. but i wouldnt be opposed to getting a guy who could help miller out when millers A game isnt on display. maybe myers will be that guy, i dont know. hes not yet, but he could be.

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Ok, I'll say it. Buffalo loses that series against Boston regardless if Vanek and Hecht are injured or not.
The Sabres were not as hungry for it as Boston was in my opinion. I was not impressed at all with the Sabres in that playoff series. They showed no grit, no clutch perfomances, an entire lack of offensive zone presence to really threaten Boston most of the time, a terrible transition game and of course, as we all were aware before the playoffs, a complete vanishing act of the power play.

Could they have won it? Anything is possible, but not probable given the teams lack luster performance.

Will they be better this up coming season? Only time will tell, but with no significant shake up of the brat pack or an addition of a true PPQB, I am seeing much of the same from last season...........................Just not good enough to be considered a contender for Lord Stanley's Cup.
I hope I'm wrong, but in my gut I know I am not.

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Lord Stanley's Cup is what its all about.
Mr. Pegula, your destiny awaits you sir.

It's not like the GM of the Red Wings is going to gossip about potential players that he wanted to acquire when there is so much uncertainty... Miller's contract hadn't even expired yet, so the possibility of him becoming a free agent was still far off. They would be stupid to just assume that he would be on the market and they would sign him, so of course they would make sure they would other viable options in their system (Howard, Larsson)... But it's hard to believe that they would have zero interest in Miller if he ever did hit free agency.

And I didn't say that the Wings directly contacted Miller's family.....

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Hockey Night in Buffalo

but you think while holland wont say anything, a scout will? a scout who reports to holland? im thinking tall tales.

it wasnt going to happen.

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None of us are Ryan Miller, his agent, or Red Wings management. None of us knows what really was or was not said, or might has happened.

Miller signed here, and that's the end of it.

this story has been annoying me 2 years. its was never going to happen. im going to dispel it till it finally dies.

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Yeah ok whatever... I don't know if you have noticed, but you're the one that keeps bringing it up. Doesn't matter now anyways.

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Hockey Night in Buffalo

alex did in jest. i said dammit, someone replied, were golden.

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You don't know that it was never going to happen, but regardless, it didn't.

Maybe next we can argue about what would have happened if John Wilkes Booth missed.

aaron burr wouldnt have shot him

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