The fact that there is any debate about this is more indicative of the state of bias in the media and the far left than about the state of America's religious tolerance. Americans have always been the most tolerant people when it comes to freedom of religion, perhaps more so than any country in history. We were founded by people fleeing religious persecution. Our constitution mandates freedom of religion. And we remain a religious nation to this day, with your average town having a dozen places of worship of various religions built right next to each other. In other words, don't tell us that we are intolerant. It's simply not the case.

Instead, the uproar over this mosque is based on rightful suspicions about the people who are building it. Let me put it this way.

In the 1993, radical Muslims parked a car bomb in the World Trade Center and tried to destroy the building. In September of 2001, radical Muslims hijacked planes and destroyed the World Trade Center, killing 3000 Americans. In 2010, unknown Muslims paid $100 million dollars to build a mosque two blocks from the World Trade Center site. They propose to name the mosque "The Cordoba House". Cordoba, Spain, was the sight of one of the greatest Islamic victories over Christianity. In the Middle Ages, Muslims invaded Christian Spain, sold its citizens into slavery, and occupied it for several centuries.

Today, when Muslims refer to Cordoba, they are speaking about the triumph of Islam and the destruction of the non-Muslim peoples of the West. So, to name the mosque "The Cordoba House," they are directly commenting on the 9/11 attacks, saying that it was a triumph of Islam and a destruction of non-Muslim people.

Wouldn't you be suspicious given the events I've described? Muslims bomb the WTC, kill 3000, then build a mosque called the Cordoba house there?? And they won't tell anyone where they got the $100 million to build it! The fact that there is any debate at all is amazing. I mean, people aren't protesting against Islam, they are protesting against a group of Muslims who would put a mosque called "The Cordoba House" near ground zero, a highly suspicious move considering the history of that site.

To be honest, I really don't give a shit about the mosque debate in particular. It's just another in a long line of poor decisions by the Obama administration. We'll be lucky to survive another 2 years of this President.

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Wikipedia disagrees.

Cordoba Initiative, the sponsors of Park51, said the original name "Cordoba House" was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, which they called a model of peaceful coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and Jews.[19][19][18] Some took issue with the name Cordoba; for example, Newt Gingrich said that it was a "a deliberately insulting term" on the grounds that Córdoba was the capital of the Caliphate of Córdoba during the period of Muslim rule in Spain, following the Umayyad defeat of the Visigoths in the 8th century.[45][28][25] Similarly, Raymond Ibrahim, formerly associate director of the Middle East Forum, criticized the initiative as symbolic not of "a gesture of peace and interfaith dialogue" but "allusive of Islamic conquest and consolidation".[46] According to The Economist, the name was chosen because Muslims, Jews and Christians created a center of learning in Córdoba together.[18]


It sounds like you're just parroting the words of some right-wing media personality.

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Also not even remotely true. Poland recognized freedom of religion in 1573 during the Warsaw Confederation, long before the U.S. constitution was even a thought.

Furthermore, while several groups fled to America to escape religious persecution, they themselves were not often tolerant of opposing religions within their communities. Maryland was the only state for quite some time to espouse freedom of religion under the Maryland Toleration Act in 1649. Even so, that Act flip-flopped between being repealed and reinstated depending upon who controlled the state government up until the American Revolution.

The United States history is absolutely littered with groups that came to the U.S. to escape to persecution only to have some of their own members flee to escape the persecution then being handed down by that particular group, such as Roger Williams fleeing Massachusetts to form his own colony in Rhode Island.

Americans are intolerant.

Up until post-world war two, the majority of Americans WOULD NOT have voted for a Jewish presidential candidate.
Even today, the majority of Americans STILL WON'T vote for an Atheist candidate.
I'd be shocked if the majority of Americans would vote for a Pagan or an Agnostic candidate.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/26611/some-a ... tes.aspx#1


That's not tolerance.

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One part of tolerance is not generalizing, The actions of some extremists do not mean that all Muslims are closet terrorists. I cannot believe that you could possibly believe this to be true.

Stop eating up propaganda and think for yourself. Read and look for facts, don't just take the spew from the right wing fear and smear machine and nod your head.

BTW, nice anti-Obama dig at the end there. Really shows that you have no clue about what's been going on. Aside from two wishy washy comments by the President, the administration has been completely uninvolved with this project. They haven't decided anything.

Um.....here's one place the funds are coming from: Alwaleed bin Talal and his Kingdom Foundation. And people are protesting Islam and if that isn't clear then you have either really missed the coverage on the opposition or have really bought into the right wing bull.

Personally I think it is a fucking outrage that we have to defend religious freedom in 2010 America. My wife, family, friends and myself have fought, are fighting and have died for our freedoms and it offends me to my core that these bigots hide behind a twisted version of (what they call) patriotism so they can spew their hate and ignorance towards the Islamic faith. Just like warped interpretations of the Quran have fueled terrorists, warped views of what it means to be an American are fueling these bastards. I consider bigots and racists to be enemies of our freedoms just as I consider terrorists and religious extremists enemies.

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http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-already-knows-everything-he-needs-to-know-abou,17990/

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Indeed, The Onion is a service to us all.

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so i read today that the building of the cultural center will go on as planned at its current location. but then, i read today that trump is trying to buy that land, and now, the florida pastor who organized the quran burning, is that he canceled the event because he was told they were moving the location of the center...

HUH?

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The Florida pastor lied.

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BTW, I held a discussion on this topic in my 2 US History classes today. I found the kids to be overwhelmingly in favor of letting the Mosque be built wherever the builders want. There was only one student in both classes combined who wrote that the Mosque should not be built. Almost all said that you can't judge an entire religion based on the actions of a few radicals, just like you can't judge all Christians based on the actions of some minister who plans to burn copies of the Quran.

I was in the ER at Fort Carson last night (my son broke his arm) and a story about Jones, the preacher who was gonna burn Qurans came on and I heard at least four people make groaning noises or mumble something shitty about Muslims. I'm finding that the youth of our country isn't buying into this right wing, right field hate that is happening but there are still a lot of people out there that are. It's pratty damn sad. Do you teach college level Stuu or highschool?

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High School.

so is it getting built in its proper, original location, or is it being built elsewhere?

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The Florida pastor said that he canceled his burning because he had talked to the mosque developers, and they agreed to move it.

That conversation never happened. The developers never spoke to this hump.

so basically, this guy not only bitched out, hes making himself out to be some sort of hero and an important cog in this controversy, without even being in the middle of it?

this guy needs to be punted in the nuts.

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Can we get some christian fundamentalists to go and burn some pictures of this dude in front of his church/thing? That would win everything.

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Nice

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