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CriminallyVu1gar
PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:33 pm 
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Is this boring?

Dear AGENT NAME:
I am currently seeking an agent for my completed 70,000-word dystopian drama Arnett Tanner Wants to Die. The novel is set several hundred years in the future where medical and data storage technology have advanced to the point where people's consciousnesses can be downloaded and reintegrated into a new body after physical death, thus making immortality a reality. The United States government has gone one step further and mandated this immortality, requiring each citizen to regularly create personality backups in the event that they unexpectedly perish.

The story follows Arnett Tanner, an extremely intelligent man who is somewhat infamous for having performed the most successful suicides. Tanner seeks an end to the world that he considers to be an unyielding torment of continued mediocrity and monotony. Unlike many suicide cases, his reasons are not borne out of personal tragedy, but rather reason and logic he has developed for several hundred years.

After he kills himself for the fourth time, his Suicide Watch Officer, Lars Hanson enrolls him in a series of archaic sessions of group therapy. There he meets Havoc Bentley, a perturbed young (looking) woman who has a fan-girl-esque obsession with Tanner and an adulation for what he's been able to "accomplish."

Tanner begrudgingly begins to grow closer to Havoc as she introduces him to an underground pro-death group known as The Reapers. His feelings become torn between the increasingly endearing Havoc, and the possibility of using the group's considerable resources to make his fifth suicide the final act in his long life.

Throughout the story Tanner struggles with addressing his changing emotions, emotions he thought had been ironclad for decades. As Havoc becomes an increasing aspect of his life, and his SWO Lars experiences his own personal tragedy, Tanner is forced to decide who he can trust and what he really wants, while society finds itself faced important and polarizing question. Is a world in which death is obsolete, truly a positive existence?

I am a twenty-three year old unpublished writer and have been writing fantasy since the age of fifteen. Arnett Tanner Wants to Die is the third novel I have completed and the second I have attempted to query. Should Arnett Tanner Wants to Die interest you, the completed 70,000 word manuscript is available upon request.

Sincerely,



Alexander S. Bauer

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Dude, that got my attention.

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Not boring, seems a pretty good synopsis.

Although, I feel like i've found a few plot holes/inconsistencies about your story from reading this letter, sorry if this stuff was asked/answered in a different thread, I feel like i've heard something about this story before.

1) why on earth would the government mandate that people cannot die? That seems really far from reality, we already have enough trouble caring for the people we have, how could we extend life indefinitely, while adding new births to the population and achieve any sort of sustainability?

2) If this guy is so good at helping people kill themselves (just re-read he "performed the most successful suicides"),which doesnt make a lot of sense right now, since clearly it isnt a suicide if they can just remake him somehow. I would think a lot of people have successfully killed their human selves by now, only to find themselves alive again in a new body, to really commit suicide in this scenario he'd have to destroy the backup, so i'm just not sure what you're talking about in regards to suicides here.

3) Are you going to explain the science behind transferring consciousness from a 'backup' into a new human body? I know it's fiction, and we're supposed to have a bit of suspension of disbelief, but I rather dislike when authors just gloss over this stuff, like "and we use that machine in the corner for all the (currently) impossible science stuff which we're not going to explain any further" , thats annoying.

Anyways, good luck getting this out there, let us know how it goes!


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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Not boring, seems a pretty good synopsis.

Although, I feel like i've found a few plot holes/inconsistencies about your story from reading this letter, sorry if this stuff was asked/answered in a different thread, I feel like i've heard something about this story before.

1) why on earth would the government mandate that people cannot die? That seems really far from reality, we already have enough trouble caring for the people we have, how could we extend life indefinitely, while adding new births to the population and achieve any sort of sustainability?


I think with the constant push for technology and medicine that extends to life it really isn't that far fetched. Think of Terry Schiavo and all the people that wanted to keep her plugged into a machine indefinitely. In the case of my story, instead of being vegetables, people are as conscious as they've ever been. Instead of being hooked up to the machine, they're just stuffed into another container and made to live another life

One of the aspects of this future is that the birth rate has slowed dramatically with the government mandating birth control and limiting pregnancies. Instead of simply putting everyone back into the same container (i.e. a clone of themselves) they're made to use a government provided "blank," a healthy cloned body, genetically modified to be healthy, so while personalities don;t change at least the appearances do.

Part of the point is to show a negative side to extending life, and part of that is in the stagnation as the amount of fresh faces, new ideas, and new people begins to decrease.

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2) If this guy is so good at helping people kill themselves (just re-read he "performed the most successful suicides"),which doesnt make a lot of sense right now, since clearly it isnt a suicide if they can just remake him somehow. I would think a lot of people have successfully killed their human selves by now, only to find themselves alive again in a new body, to really commit suicide in this scenario he'd have to destroy the backup, so i'm just not sure what you're talking about in regards to suicides here.


He's only killing himself. He's not a futuristic Jack Kevorkian. In fact, he doesn't much care about anyone around him. It is a suicide in the sense that he is killing off a physical form, even if only to be reincarnated in a new body a day later.

You've essentially described the (simplified) plot of the story. In order to truly die, he must destroy his back-up, both the file itself and the physical stick (think flash drive). He's basically been killing himself out of boredom, knowing that he'll simply be revived later, but with the emergence of Havoc and The Reapers he begins to see a way to get to his backup file and really end things.

YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
3) Are you going to explain the science behind transferring consciousness from a 'backup' into a new human body? I know it's fiction, and we're supposed to have a bit of suspension of disbelief, but I rather dislike when authors just gloss over this stuff, like "and we use that machine in the corner for all the (currently) impossible science stuff which we're not going to explain any further" , thats annoying.

Anyways, good luck getting this out there, let us know how it goes!


I tend to subscribe to the Joss Whedon - Firefly-esque style of science fiction, in that the technology isn't really very important. I don't think that show was weakened by the prospect that a spinning cylinder in the engine room equated to interstellar travel and artificial gravity. So I guess that's a 'no,' haha. I do have a decent amount of computer knowledge, so I try to give a sense of "here is the basics of how this works," without getting lost in it and inventing a glossary of made up terms requiring a novel in themselves to understand (i.e. Star Trek).

I think a lot of sci-fi shows tend to be this way. Star Wars, how do hyperdrives and lightsabres work? They just do. In fact, I almost feel that trying to explain things is a negative (hello midi-chlorians).



Thanks for the comments, I don't mind people pointing out things that are confusing or may potentially be plot holes.

As an unknown author once said, "When people submit that things in your story are unclear, they are most often right. When they offer suggestions at how to fix them, they are most often wrong." :)

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If you don't get it picked up, self publish to iTunes and i'll buy it.


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Squanto wrote:
If you don't get it picked up, self publish to iTunes and i'll buy it.


Yeah, I've contemplated using lulu or something to self publish. I think you can even register an ISBN and get it stocked at a few of the major book retailers in addition to making it available through amazon or itunes electronically. Something to consider, especially given that with lulu the author makes gets 80% royalties and through a publishing house will only see 1/10 of that (in addition to the initial contract of course).

Vampire story has been rejected seven times, so I'm more than halfway to Stephanie Meyer's and J.K. Rowling's totals. :)

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The letter got my interest; it's going to have to get put in front of the right agent though.

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This looks like it would make a good movie as well, if you get to that point. :P

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I would love to be able to say I knew the guy who wrote this book and was the basis to a movie.

I think that it would be badass.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
I would love to be able to say I knew the guy who wrote this book and was the basis to a movie.

I think that it would be badass.


I would love to be that guy. Equally badass. :D

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Have you sent it to Baen? It sounds like something they might publish. Very interesting & coherent-sounding storyline. Let us know if it works out, eh?


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Nuthatch wrote:
Have you sent it to Baen? It sounds like something they might publish. Very interesting & coherent-sounding storyline. Let us know if it works out, eh?



Thanks.

No, I just wrote the query letter the other day. I'm going through the story for edits for the third time. Probably going to prepare at least a loose synopsis too in case someone asks for that.

After this I have a novel I wrote in high school I need to edit in addition to working on one of my next several ideas.

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Eventually you'll get published man.

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I think so, too.

You write the kind of fiction I enjoy reading, anyway. Haha.

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