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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:33 am 
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Trading Miller would be the death of this franchise. It would be a terribly stupid idea and if Darcy ever did (which we know he wouldn't) there would be rioting in the streets. You DO NOT trade away your franchise goaltender if he is happy here and plays Vezina quality seasons. I do not understand the reasoning behind trading Miller. We need to hold on to him until he's done. That's that. There are many quality goaltenders to be found in the draft these days, and it seems most of the future starters are coming out of the USA Hockey program or college (Miller, Howard, Jack Campbell). I think if we can nab one of the good ones in a late round like we did Miller in the coming years, we'll be in good shape as far as goalies. Maybe Enroth will be a starter, who knows. However, as long as Miller is playing, Miller has to stay in Buffalo. He is the heart, soul, and face of the franchise and when he does retire, replacing him will be a hell of a task.

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:58 pm 
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Enroth is not our future. I don't know why so many people like him, but he SUUUUCCCCKKKKSSSSS.... HORRIBLY.

Uh...no he doesn't.

But with that said, he's not going to challenge Miller for the starting positiong and the Sabres would never trade Miller.

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This years schedule isn't as compact as last years also.

We do have the highest number of back-to-back games in the league though. I think Miller is capable of playing around 70 games without it affecting his peformance, but if we can stand to let him rest more games then we should.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:48 pm 
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The only way I see getting rid of Miller is if Enroth puts up numbers better than Miller does. Can it happen? Who knows, I can't see into the future.

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:02 pm 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The only way I see getting rid of Miller is if Enroth puts up numbers better than Miller does. Can it happen? Who knows, I can't see into the future.

Thanks Mike! (/sarcasm)


I did notice that positionally and play-style, Enroth IS definitely a lot more like Miller; he's still growing and learning, but I'll be damned if he doesn't look like what I'd imagine Ryan Miller to look like years ago.

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NYIntensity wrote:
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The only way I see getting rid of Miller is if Enroth puts up numbers better than Miller does. Can it happen? Who knows, I can't see into the future.

Thanks Mike! (/sarcasm)


I did notice that positionally and play-style, Enroth IS definitely a lot more like Miller; he's still growing and learning, but I'll be damned if he doesn't look like what I'd imagine Ryan Miller to look like years ago.



i saw miller play a lot in rochester, especially during the lock-out, and he had serious glances of greatness back then. you knew miller was going to be the face of buffalo soon. that was two seasons before miller came to play for buffalo full time.

i haven't seen enroth a lot. only 1 game in person, and a few games online, but from what i've personally seen he's not even close to where miller was at this point in his career yet.


i tried finding some youtube videos of miller in rochester. apparently there aren't really any. found one of him with a great glove save.


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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:47 pm 
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Awww look at bb Ryan. :')

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The only way I see getting rid of Miller is if Enroth puts up numbers better than Miller does. Can it happen? Who knows, I can't see into the future.

Ryan Miller is judging your post right now.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:41 pm 
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You guys know my opinion about lalime. I'm still shocked that we didnt grab a backup during the off season. I woulda took neimi or huet for 2 mil anyday, Its so important that we win the games miller doesn't play. If you go back and look at the games we shoulda won, but didnt because of bad back up goal tending, we could of easily contended for the top spot in the east.

I just don't understand.

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Enroth's style may be similar to Miller, but his skill level isn't even close. Enroth will never be half the goaltender that Miller is.

I respect your points, but there will never be a goalie dilemma between Enroth and Miller.

Only Enroth can answer what skill level he will have.

I will say that Miller is a phenom in net and is solid, consistent and has that focus and competitive edge I love to see in a hockey player. I can only hope Enroth garners these qualities from Ryan for if he does, it only benefits our team as a whole.

As for a dilemma in net for the Sabres down the road, I hope it does happen, once again, it only benefits our team if they both play phenomonally in net. As for now, Miller is the man, but I must also point out, this team has seen Goalies better than Miller in the past, much better, but never saw a Stanley Cup as well. And you know who I speak of, Miller is no Hasek, he is not going to steal you a series in the playoffs. I am not as high on Miller as alot of others, given the talent I have seen play between the pipes for Buffalo. I guess my bar was set unbelievably high, but in the end, if (its a big if, I know) Enroth can achieve more than Miller has, I'll be estatic and I am rooting for him to do so. Like I said, it only benefits our team as a whole.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:14 pm 
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Can Enroth not play with a stick ever? He looked calm and was making save after save after save tonight when he lost his stick. Which happened twice.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:46 pm 
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While I agree Miller is the franchise, when his contract is up, he'll be 35, and Enroth will be 26. If Miller doesn't win a championship here, I can almost bet that he won't resign and he'll walk to someplace else. Enroth is seemingly our future in five years, probably.

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:26 pm 
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Yeah if we still have Enroth in 5 years. It's stupid to look ahead that far in hockey. Who knows what's going to happen with the Sabres, Miller, or Enroth in 5 years?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:34 am 
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slesh wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Enroth's style may be similar to Miller, but his skill level isn't even close. Enroth will never be half the goaltender that Miller is.

I respect your points, but there will never be a goalie dilemma between Enroth and Miller.

Only Enroth can answer what skill level he will have.

I will say that Miller is a phenom in net and is solid, consistent and has that focus and competitive edge I love to see in a hockey player. I can only hope Enroth garners these qualities from Ryan for if he does, it only benefits our team as a whole.

As for a dilemma in net for the Sabres down the road, I hope it does happen, once again, it only benefits our team if they both play phenomonally in net. As for now, Miller is the man, but I must also point out, this team has seen Goalies better than Miller in the past, much better, but never saw a Stanley Cup as well. And you know who I speak of, Miller is no Hasek, he is not going to steal you a series in the playoffs. I am not as high on Miller as alot of others, given the talent I have seen play between the pipes for Buffalo. I guess my bar was set unbelievably high, but in the end, if (its a big if, I know) Enroth can achieve more than Miller has, I'll be estatic and I am rooting for him to do so. Like I said, it only benefits our team as a whole.


Would winning a series in which you were outshot 169-118, an average of 34-23 a game while amassing a save pct. of .924 and a GAA of 2.6 in winning four of five one goal games, three of them in overtime constitute stealing a series?

Seems like it would.

Then again I don't subscribe to the theory that every player that doesn't bring home a cup is garbage.

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slesh wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Enroth's style may be similar to Miller, but his skill level isn't even close. Enroth will never be half the goaltender that Miller is.

I respect your points, but there will never be a goalie dilemma between Enroth and Miller.

Only Enroth can answer what skill level he will have.

I will say that Miller is a phenom in net and is solid, consistent and has that focus and competitive edge I love to see in a hockey player. I can only hope Enroth garners these qualities from Ryan for if he does, it only benefits our team as a whole.

As for a dilemma in net for the Sabres down the road, I hope it does happen, once again, it only benefits our team if they both play phenomonally in net. As for now, Miller is the man, but I must also point out, this team has seen Goalies better than Miller in the past, much better, but never saw a Stanley Cup as well. And you know who I speak of, Miller is no Hasek, he is not going to steal you a series in the playoffs. I am not as high on Miller as alot of others, given the talent I have seen play between the pipes for Buffalo. I guess my bar was set unbelievably high, but in the end, if (its a big if, I know) Enroth can achieve more than Miller has, I'll be estatic and I am rooting for him to do so. Like I said, it only benefits our team as a whole.

Wait wait wait wait wait. You're not a fan of Miller because he isn't Hasek, but you're a fan of Enroth who is clearly inferior to Miller in every respect? Pass me whatever you're smoking cuz that shit is CASH.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:53 am 
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I HATE when Sabres fans say, "Well Hasek couldn't get us a Cup, so obviously Miller won't either!" Talk about flawed "logic".

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The two teams from the Hasek era, to the Miller era are way different also.

So Gretzky sucked when he wasn't on the Oilers also, because he never won a Cup again too.

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Is there any word on Lalimes groin injury? Is it long term or a day to day thing?

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Some toolbox called into WGR today to make the point that he was worried about having Lalime as the backup in case Miller was injured.

Couldn't you make the same argument for any team in the league? How many teams can say they have a backup that could be thrust into the role of a full time starter and perform at the same level? I would say very few.

I really hate that argument.


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Squanto wrote:
Some toolbox called into WGR today to make the point that he was worried about having Lalime as the backup in case Miller was injured.

Couldn't you make the same argument for any team in the league? How many teams can say they have a backup that could be thrust into the role of a full time starter and perform at the same level? I would say very few.

I really hate that argument.

I know. It's probably the same people who say, "We would be a terrible team without Ryan Miller!"

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Squanto wrote:
Some toolbox called into WGR today to make the point that he was worried about having Lalime as the backup in case Miller was injured.

Couldn't you make the same argument for any team in the league? How many teams can say they have a backup that could be thrust into the role of a full time starter and perform at the same level? I would say very few.

I really hate that argument.

hehe

Hence the reason they're in the backup role and not starting.

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