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Vanek_Fanatic_26
 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:28 pm 
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Some toolbox called into WGR today to make the point that he was worried about having Lalime as the backup in case Miller was injured.

Couldn't you make the same argument for any team in the league? How many teams can say they have a backup that could be thrust into the role of a full time starter and perform at the same level? I would say very few.

I really hate that argument.

hehe

Hence the reason they're in the backup role and not starting.


I can name plenty of backups I'd be more comfortable with than Lalime.

Pascal LeClaire/Brian Elliot (Ottawa)
Jonas Gutsavsson (Toronto)
Tim Thomas (Boston)
Marty Biron (NYR)
Dwayne Roloson (NYI)
Johan Hedberg (New Jersey)
Brian Boucher (Philadelphia)
Scott Clemmenson (Florida)
Ondrej Pavelec (Atlanta)
Mike Smith (Tampa Bay)
Chris Osgood (Detroit)
Ty Conklin (St. Louis)
Mathieu Garon (Columbus)
Jason LaBarbera (Phoenix)
Antero Nittymaki/Antti Niemi (San Jose)
Jonathan Bernier (Los Angeles)
Josh Harding (Minnesota)

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
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From what I have seen of Enroth I'm surprised I still remember his name.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
BS1970 wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Some toolbox called into WGR today to make the point that he was worried about having Lalime as the backup in case Miller was injured.

Couldn't you make the same argument for any team in the league? How many teams can say they have a backup that could be thrust into the role of a full time starter and perform at the same level? I would say very few.

I really hate that argument.

hehe

Hence the reason they're in the backup role and not starting.


I can name plenty of backups I'd be more comfortable with than Lalime.

Pascal LeClaire/Brian Elliot (Ottawa)
Jonas Gutsavsson (Toronto)
Tim Thomas (Boston)
Marty Biron (NYR)
Dwayne Roloson (NYI)
Johan Hedberg (New Jersey)
Brian Boucher (Philadelphia)
Scott Clemmenson (Florida)
Ondrej Pavelec (Atlanta)
Mike Smith (Tampa Bay)
Chris Osgood (Detroit)
Ty Conklin (St. Louis)
Mathieu Garon (Columbus)
Jason LaBarbera (Phoenix)
Antero Nittymaki/Antti Niemi (San Jose)
Jonathan Bernier (Los Angeles)
Josh Harding (Minnesota)


Garon is only better in the shootout...

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:38 pm 
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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
BS1970 wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Some toolbox called into WGR today to make the point that he was worried about having Lalime as the backup in case Miller was injured.

Couldn't you make the same argument for any team in the league? How many teams can say they have a backup that could be thrust into the role of a full time starter and perform at the same level? I would say very few.

I really hate that argument.

hehe

Hence the reason they're in the backup role and not starting.


I can name plenty of backups I'd be more comfortable with than Lalime.

Pascal LeClaire/Brian Elliot (Ottawa)
Jonas Gutsavsson (Toronto)
Tim Thomas (Boston)
Marty Biron (NYR)
Dwayne Roloson (NYI)
Johan Hedberg (New Jersey)
Brian Boucher (Philadelphia)
Scott Clemmenson (Florida)
Ondrej Pavelec (Atlanta)
Mike Smith (Tampa Bay)
Chris Osgood (Detroit)
Ty Conklin (St. Louis)
Mathieu Garon (Columbus)
Jason LaBarbera (Phoenix)
Antero Nittymaki/Antti Niemi (San Jose)
Jonathan Bernier (Los Angeles)
Josh Harding (Minnesota)


:obscene-hanged:

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:54 pm 
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BlueandYellow wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
BS1970 wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Some toolbox called into WGR today to make the point that he was worried about having Lalime as the backup in case Miller was injured.

Couldn't you make the same argument for any team in the league? How many teams can say they have a backup that could be thrust into the role of a full time starter and perform at the same level? I would say very few.

I really hate that argument.

hehe

Hence the reason they're in the backup role and not starting.


I can name plenty of backups I'd be more comfortable with than Lalime.

Pascal LeClaire/Brian Elliot (Ottawa)
Jonas Gutsavsson (Toronto)
Tim Thomas (Boston)
Marty Biron (NYR)
Dwayne Roloson (NYI)
Johan Hedberg (New Jersey)
Brian Boucher (Philadelphia)
Scott Clemmenson (Florida)
Ondrej Pavelec (Atlanta)
Mike Smith (Tampa Bay)
Chris Osgood (Detroit)
Ty Conklin (St. Louis)
Mathieu Garon (Columbus)
Jason LaBarbera (Phoenix)
Antero Nittymaki/Antti Niemi (San Jose)
Jonathan Bernier (Los Angeles)
Josh Harding (Minnesota)


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I know. It's that sad.

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
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I kind of meant that you put LaBarbera on there. The others are correct, but LaBarbie is fucking horrible.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:53 pm 
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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:

I can name plenty of backups I'd be more comfortable with than Lalime.

Pascal LeClaire/Brian Elliot (Ottawa)
Jonas Gutsavsson (Toronto)
Tim Thomas (Boston)
Marty Biron (NYR)
Dwayne Roloson (NYI)
Johan Hedberg (New Jersey)
Brian Boucher (Philadelphia)
Scott Clemmenson (Florida)
Ondrej Pavelec (Atlanta)
Mike Smith (Tampa Bay)
Chris Osgood (Detroit)
Ty Conklin (St. Louis)
Mathieu Garon (Columbus)
Jason LaBarbera (Phoenix)
Antero Nittymaki/Antti Niemi (San Jose)
Jonathan Bernier (Los Angeles)
Josh Harding (Minnesota)

Yeah, until they play for us and lose a game then people are booing them off the ice and calling them a bum. And why are you naming goalies who aren't even available?

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
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fly as hale wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:

I can name plenty of backups I'd be more comfortable with than Lalime.

Pascal LeClaire/Brian Elliot (Ottawa)
Jonas Gutsavsson (Toronto)
Tim Thomas (Boston)
Marty Biron (NYR)
Dwayne Roloson (NYI)
Johan Hedberg (New Jersey)
Brian Boucher (Philadelphia)
Scott Clemmenson (Florida)
Ondrej Pavelec (Atlanta)
Mike Smith (Tampa Bay)
Chris Osgood (Detroit)
Ty Conklin (St. Louis)
Mathieu Garon (Columbus)
Jason LaBarbera (Phoenix)
Antero Nittymaki/Antti Niemi (San Jose)
Jonathan Bernier (Los Angeles)
Josh Harding (Minnesota)

Yeah, until they play for us and lose a game then people are booing them off the ice and calling them a bum. And why are you naming goalies who aren't even available?


My point was that these are backup goalies that I would feel more comfortable with being a backup to Miller. I wasn't trying to say that any of these people were available. If Ryan Miller was going to out for a month, I'd trust a good portion of these goalies for that portion of time over Lalime.

And BlueandYellow, the fact that LaBarbera is on the list just means that I think more of him than Lalime. That's not really saying all too much, but I think he's a better option, for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:51 pm 
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CV ran numbers for last year that compared Lalime to all the other backups in the league. He was pretty much above average if I recall. Not the best backup in the league, but far from the worst.
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Squanto wrote:
CV ran numbers for last year that compared Lalime to all the other backups in the league. He was pretty much above average if I recall. Not the best backup in the league, but far from the worst.


Do I get to do that again? Oh goody!

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
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Versus Backups of Similar GS (i.e. 10-25 starts).

Patrick Lalime in GAA
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Patrick Lalime in Save Pct
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Patrick Lalime in Goal Support
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Middle of the pack, and what you expect from a backup goalie really.

Goal support is a huge one though.

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
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Middle of the pack, and what you expect from a backup goalie really.

Goal support is a huge one though.


Yep, and that can't be pinned on him.

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Versus Backups of Similar GS (i.e. 10-25 starts).

Patrick Lalime in GAA
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Patrick Lalime in Save Pct
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Patrick Lalime in Goal Support
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Out of Vanek_Fanatic list Harding and Osgood are the only ones who have worse stats than Lalime, so he's got a point even though Lalime's stats aren't bad for a backup.
The real question is, would Enroth be better than Lalime? I think we will have to wait until Lalime's groin takes another break. Right now I'm more comfortable with Lalime as backup.

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Enroth's positioning is bad, bad, bad. He also is very small. NHL wise he won't do well, IMHO.

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I think it's too early in Enroth's career to gauge how well he'll do in the NHL. I am eager to see him get some starts up here, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Enroth v Lalime
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Khabibulin, Lehtonen and Neuvirth should have better stats, they're starter material.

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