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patkane88
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:41 pm 
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I know this team sucks shit but give me a break with Lalime, he is a fucking horrible goaltender. 9 wins in a span of 3 years with buffalo is a fucking joke. :snooty: :snooty: :snooty: :snooty: :snooty: :snooty: :snooty:

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Markus
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:48 pm 
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I would like a simulation of us playing with an average goalie for a year (better than Lalime but not nearly as good as Miller kinda thing) to see how many games we would win.

We have the best goalie in the world, and we still get lit up.


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Markus wrote:
I would like a simulation of us playing with an average goalie for a year (better than Lalime but not nearly as good as Miller kinda thing) to see how many games we would win.

We have the best goalie in the world, and we still get lit up.



Well when your defense let's two breakaway's a game or ridiculous amounts of odd man rushes... a top of the world goalie can only do so much. Take hossa in the game last week. Breakaway goal and then odd man rush where miller had to play the pass option in his head.

Tonight-- same thing. Bolland and Hossa get behind the defense, first goal of the night was scored on an odd man rush (which was their first shot of the game too!)

I think this stems down to a more of offensive/defensive issue. There's no way our top goalie was able to keep us in in top spot for 2-3 years now and dating back to previous playoff appearances and then fall flat? Not in my opinion

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Tonight wasn't lalimes fault...

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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
Tonight wasn't lalimes fault...


Agree and same goes for the times Miller was in net. Too many defensive fuck ups, misplays etc. Miller holds a shutout against NJ making some big saves and then the team watches Ilya Kovalchuk stand at the circle and fire one home. Game against CHI last week... bad bounce, breakaway, odd man rush.

These issues have repeated themselves and that hasn't been any goaltenders fault... more the rest of the team

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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
Tonight wasn't lalimes fault...


Still he only has 9 wins since coming to Buffalo 2008/09 and he's played in 43 games, that is a joke for a backup goalie

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The team needs to play good in front of lalime. Teams that have average starters are still winning games. If we can't play good in front of any goaltender, we can't ultimately win the game. We definitely cranked it up a notch tonight, but I hope the players can realize that its still not enough. You have to play a full 60 minutes of tough, hard working hockey in order to win.

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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
The team needs to play good in front of lalime. Teams that have average starters are still winning games. If we can't play good in front of any goaltender, we can't ultimately win the game. We definitely cranked it up a notch tonight, but I hope the players can realize that its still not enough. You have to play a full 60 minutes of tough, hard working hockey in order to win.


I am so sick and tired of hearing as an excuse of why Lalime is not winning it is a cop out.

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The team is best case a .500 team with one of the best goalies in the world behind it. Why doesn't a backup win more....seems simple deduction would answer that.


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patkane88 wrote:
SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
The team needs to play good in front of lalime. Teams that have average starters are still winning games. If we can't play good in front of any goaltender, we can't ultimately win the game. We definitely cranked it up a notch tonight, but I hope the players can realize that its still not enough. You have to play a full 60 minutes of tough, hard working hockey in order to win.


I am so sick and tired of hearing as an excuse of why Lalime is not winning it is a cop out.

So the team doesn't have to play good in front of Lalime? Did I miss something here?

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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
The team needs to play good in front of lalime. Teams that have average starters are still winning games. If we can't play good in front of any goaltender, we can't ultimately win the game. We definitely cranked it up a notch tonight, but I hope the players can realize that its still not enough. You have to play a full 60 minutes of tough, hard working hockey in order to win.


I am so sick and tired of hearing as an excuse of why Lalime is not winning it is a cop out.

So the team doesn't have to play good in front of Lalime? Did I miss something here?


No but this has been said about lalime so many times and it is getting old. I think the players have more confidence of playing in front of Miller because he doesn't let in lots of weak goals which Lalime has done for his entire career.

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I'm saying, we need the team in front of our goaltender to play well enough. Lalime is not at fault at times when people are shoving knives down his throat. Tonights loss was NOT because of Lalime.

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But we didn't win with Miller, either. It's a combo. Lalime isn't the best goalie option we have but we have more of a team problem than a goaltender problem right now.


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patkane88 wrote:
SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
The team needs to play good in front of lalime. Teams that have average starters are still winning games. If we can't play good in front of any goaltender, we can't ultimately win the game. We definitely cranked it up a notch tonight, but I hope the players can realize that its still not enough. You have to play a full 60 minutes of tough, hard working hockey in order to win.


I am so sick and tired of hearing as an excuse of why Lalime is not winning it is a cop out.

So the team doesn't have to play good in front of Lalime? Did I miss something here?


No but this has been said about lalime so many times and it is getting old. I think the players have more confidence of playing in front of Miller because he doesn't let in lots of weak goals which Lalime has done for his entire career.


Actually, I believe they have more confidence in front of Miller because he is one of the best goal tenders in the entire world and can cover up their sloppy crappy soft pansy ass half brained play in front of him. And if he ever gets really hurt, I believe many fans will get a good look at what this team really is for years to come.....and that we all agree, would suck.


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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
I'm saying, we need the team in front of our goaltender to play well enough. Lalime is not at fault at times when people are shoving knives down his throat. Tonights loss was NOT because of Lalime.


SO how come the Sabres out shoot the Hawks like 41-21 and they still lose 4-3?

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patkane88 wrote:
SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
I'm saying, we need the team in front of our goaltender to play well enough. Lalime is not at fault at times when people are shoving knives down his throat. Tonights loss was NOT because of Lalime.


SO how come the Sabres out shoot the Hawks like 41-21 and they still lose 4-3?

Defense leaving cherry pickers alone to pick away, forwards not getting in front of the net enough to screen the shot, fancy-ass passes/plays. Did i miss anything?

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I think Lalime and the team in front of him are both equally to blame. We outshot Chicago 41-21. 4 goals on 21 shots isn't great. But Lalime isn't great. He's a backup goalie. You would have liked to have seen him stop one or two of the goals he allowed, but the Sabres seem to always find a way to let games slip through their fingers.

It was a hard fought game, and I thought that the Sabres looked a lot better, but towards the end they just didn't find a way to win like they did last year. It was a huge buzzkill when Chicago took the lead late in the third period... But then the Sabres pissed away a 5-on-3 with some bonehead penalty and then they didn't to jack shit on the 4-on-3.

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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
I'm saying, we need the team in front of our goaltender to play well enough. Lalime is not at fault at times when people are shoving knives down his throat. Tonights loss was NOT because of Lalime.

while after tonight i agree to some extent that doesnt change the fact that Lalime didnt help in anyway shape or form. The team did not play horrible in front of Lalime tonight. hell, Lalime only had to face 21 shots and gave him 3 goals. yes, there were beyond terrible defensive lapses that gave the Hawks great scoring chances but the 3rd goal, while the actual start of the play was terrible, he should have stopped it. it was a dribbler off a horrid shot that got between his legs because he cant move laterally and still cover the bottom of the net.

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Wozniak wrote:
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I'm saying, we need the team in front of our goaltender to play well enough. Lalime is not at fault at times when people are shoving knives down his throat. Tonights loss was NOT because of Lalime.

while after tonight i agree to some extent that doesnt change the fact that Lalime didnt help in anyway shape or form. The team did not play horrible in front of Lalime tonight. hell, Lalime only had to face 21 shots and gave him 3 goals. yes, there were beyond terrible defensive lapses that gave the Hawks great scoring chances but the 3rd goal, while the actual start of the play was terrible, he should have stopped it. it was a dribbler off a horrid shot that got between his legs because he cant move laterally and still cover the bottom of the net.

Yes, I will give you the third goal argument. Doesn't change the lapses from the rest of the guys though.

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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
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I'm saying, we need the team in front of our goaltender to play well enough. Lalime is not at fault at times when people are shoving knives down his throat. Tonights loss was NOT because of Lalime.

while after tonight i agree to some extent that doesnt change the fact that Lalime didnt help in anyway shape or form. The team did not play horrible in front of Lalime tonight. hell, Lalime only had to face 21 shots and gave him 3 goals. yes, there were beyond terrible defensive lapses that gave the Hawks great scoring chances but the 3rd goal, while the actual start of the play was terrible, he should have stopped it. it was a dribbler off a horrid shot that got between his legs because he cant move laterally and still cover the bottom of the net.

Yes, I will give you the third goal argument. Doesn't change the lapses from the rest of the guys though.

o i know. i was just pointing out that he didnt do himself any favors tonight.

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