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 Post subject: Re: BUF vs CHI 10/16
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:25 am 
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Maybe you personally, but Regier is constantly bitched about for not doing anything. Then, when he does something, he gets ripped for that too.

Weber can't even get into the lineup over Butler when there's an opening. He's not the magical savior of this defense as so many potray him.


Because most of the moves he makes aren't upgrades they are seen as bringing in the same type of player for what they lost. This team needed a top six forward period as an upgrade. Versteeg would have been a perfect fit for Buffalo!!!


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
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Lets see....anticipate two defensemen possibly leaving, a known fact for quite some time (cough, years, cough), be prepared, act. Maybe, even maybe...trade guys expected to leave as free agents and stock up picks to use to replace them in the system proactively. Is Darcy running the team, or is the team running him?

This is why the Steelers and Patriots win games every year, and the Bills suck donkey dick too by the way.

Again very well said. Totally agree

Nothing against your point Squanto, I am fully aware that Regier has made some moves that made this team a contender.

But honestly, Contenders go home and play with themselves, winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

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Morrissonn and Leopold are not an upgrade over Weber and Butler?

Because that's who would be playing had Regier not made those moves.


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slesh wrote:
SabresBillsFan wrote:
YodaMage wrote:
Lets see....anticipate two defensemen possibly leaving, a known fact for quite some time (cough, years, cough), be prepared, act. Maybe, even maybe...trade guys expected to leave as free agents and stock up picks to use to replace them in the system proactively. Is Darcy running the team, or is the team running him?

This is why the Steelers and Patriots win games every year, and the Bills suck donkey dick too by the way.

Again very well said. Totally agree

Nothing against your point Squanto, I am fully aware that Regier has made some moves that made this team a contender.

But honestly, Contenders go home and play with themselves, winners go home and fuck the prom queen.


29 teams don't win every year. It doesn't make you a failure.


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Squanto wrote:
Morrissonn and Leopold are not an upgrade over Weber and Butler?

Because that's who would be playing had Regier not made those moves.


I don't disagree with you on an upgrade over Weber or Butler but their not an upgrade over Tallinder or Lydman who were on this team last year. Lets face it Boston beat us with the team they had last year and they felt like they needed to upgrade their offense by acquiring Horton and drafting Seguin. It's about having a GM that will upgrade a team instead of being on par with what they were last year.


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I wish you would read.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

I only chimed in because you guys were shitting on Regier for the Morrisonn and Leopold moves as being irrelevant. And yes, those two are an upgrade over Hank and Loods, if only slightly.


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Squanto wrote:
slesh wrote:
SabresBillsFan wrote:
YodaMage wrote:
Lets see....anticipate two defensemen possibly leaving, a known fact for quite some time (cough, years, cough), be prepared, act. Maybe, even maybe...trade guys expected to leave as free agents and stock up picks to use to replace them in the system proactively. Is Darcy running the team, or is the team running him?

This is why the Steelers and Patriots win games every year, and the Bills suck donkey dick too by the way.

Again very well said. Totally agree

Nothing against your point Squanto, I am fully aware that Regier has made some moves that made this team a contender.

But honestly, Contenders go home and play with themselves, winners go home and fuck the prom queen.


29 teams don't win every year. It doesn't make you a failure.

No it doesn't make you a failure but the goal is to win the Stanley Cup and we don't have one in 40 years of existance! All I ask for is one during my lifetime.


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Chicago went 50 years between Cups.

So did the Rangers, 54 years.


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 Post subject: Re: BUF vs CHI 10/16
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Squanto wrote:
Chicago went 50 years between Cups.


Yeah but they have been around for how many years. People can be pissed about Chicago losing all those players during the offseason but If I were a Chicago fan I wouldn't be that mad because we won the cup and have locked up all the good players needed to compete for more in the future. The only guy they should have kept was Versteeg. I think he was so underrated. Everyone talks about Buff and he's a big body and looked what he did in the playoffs. If he couldn't score with Kane and Toews on his line then he has some issues.


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Squanto wrote:
slesh wrote:
SabresBillsFan wrote:
YodaMage wrote:
Lets see....anticipate two defensemen possibly leaving, a known fact for quite some time (cough, years, cough), be prepared, act. Maybe, even maybe...trade guys expected to leave as free agents and stock up picks to use to replace them in the system proactively. Is Darcy running the team, or is the team running him?

This is why the Steelers and Patriots win games every year, and the Bills suck donkey dick too by the way.

Again very well said. Totally agree

Nothing against your point Squanto, I am fully aware that Regier has made some moves that made this team a contender.

But honestly, Contenders go home and play with themselves, winners go home and fuck the prom queen.


29 teams don't win every year. It doesn't make you a failure.

Actually Squanto, from a purely league driven point of view, with the fans expectations thrown in, it is a failure.
There are no Stanley Cups for 2nd through 30th place.

They play the game to win that Cup, its that simple.
I will, however, concede, as a team improves, it is an improvement, IF (big if), If it's continuous. If digression transpires, and its steady, and there is no improvement beyond the following 3 seasons, then it is a failure.

In this case, we have a 12 season case study (including 1 lock out) to digest and draw conclusions from.
Regier is the problem, solely based on his responsibilities. It really is that simple, and passing the buck to Quinn, Ruff or Galosino doesn't change that.

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Squanto wrote:
Chicago went 50 years between Cups.

So did the Rangers, 54 years.


If Buffalo goes 50+years without winning I bet some people in Buffalo are going to go down peace bridge a jump off ;)

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slesh wrote:
Actually Squanto, from a purely league driven point of view, with the fans expectations thrown in, it is a failure.
There are no Stanley Cups for 2nd through 30th place.

They play the game to win that Cup, its that simple.
I will, however, concede, as a team improves, it is an improvement, IF (big if), If it's continuous. If digression transpires, and its steady, and there is no improvement beyond the following 3 seasons, then it is a failure.

In this case, we have a 12 season case study (including 1 lock out) to digest and draw conclusions from.
Regier is the problem, solely based on his responsibilities. It really is that simple, and passing the buck to Quinn, Ruff or Galosino doesn't change that.


Yes, Regier is a problem. Yes, I've said that many times. Is he the only problem? No, he's not.

For me, it's about the ride. if the Sabres never win a Cup, my life goes on. I don't get to stop working if they win, I don't get to stop paying my mortgage. It would be a PHENOMENAL day if they win someday, but if they don't, my life will go on.

I will never accept the logic that anything but a championship is a failure. It's unrealistic, and self defeating. By that thinking, even if they win, not repeating means they're right back to being a failure again.

I want my team to be competitive. I want them to have a look at it. I want to be entertained during it. That's all I want out of my sports teams, because I know that I cannot DEMAND anything.


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Squanto wrote:
slesh wrote:
Actually Squanto, from a purely league driven point of view, with the fans expectations thrown in, it is a failure.
There are no Stanley Cups for 2nd through 30th place.

They play the game to win that Cup, its that simple.
I will, however, concede, as a team improves, it is an improvement, IF (big if), If it's continuous. If digression transpires, and its steady, and there is no improvement beyond the following 3 seasons, then it is a failure.

In this case, we have a 12 season case study (including 1 lock out) to digest and draw conclusions from.
Regier is the problem, solely based on his responsibilities. It really is that simple, and passing the buck to Quinn, Ruff or Galosino doesn't change that.


Yes, Regier is a problem. Yes, I've said that many times. Is he the only problem? No, he's not.

For me, it's about the ride. if the Sabres never win a Cup, my life goes on. I don't get to stop working if they win, I don't get to stop paying my mortgage. It would be a PHENOMENAL day if they win someday, but if they don't, my life will go on.

I will never accept the logic that anything but a championship is a failure. It's unrealistic, and self defeating. By that thinking, even if they win, not repeating means they're right back to being a failure again.

I want my team to be competitive. I want them to have a look at it. I want to be entertained during it. That's all I want out of my sports teams, because I know that I cannot DEMAND anything.

what you should demand is for your team to field a competitive roster. the sabres have for years been able to field a competitive regular season team, hell, even a great regular season team at times, yet when it comes to the playoffs they suck...


now i do agree that whether the sabres win the cup or not my life still goes on and all that but after a while of getting blue balled but a competitive team that "has a look at it" you will/should eventually start to demand that they get pushed over the edge and instead of just having a look at it become capable of getting it.

the sabres have had that chance a couple times in their history. unfortunately no one has seemed to care enough to push them beyond the look.

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I was on WGR just after Hamilton left the post game. My name is Ty.


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Very good call

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Seanothan27 wrote:
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I was on WGR just after Hamilton left the post game. My name is Ty.


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Very good call

Thank you.

They didn't archive it at WGR, but if anyone can find my comment (name Ty) just after Paul Hamilton left last night, I'd appreciate it. I couldn't find it.

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So nobody even proved their point of how Regier is to blame for this season? He did EVERYTHING HE COULD. ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING in his power in this free agency. Our team last year was 3rd in the conference and made the playoffs. He improved it slightly. This blunder was unexpected. Now it's his fault?

The performance of the players is NOT Regier's responsibilities. His FA signings have done nothing but help us. It's the stars on our team which are not producing, even though THEY HAVE EVERY YEAR.

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So nobody even proved their point of how Regier is to blame for this season? He did EVERYTHING HE COULD. ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING in his power in this free agency. Our team last year was 3rd in the conference and made the playoffs. He improved it slightly. This blunder was unexpected. Now it's his fault?

The performance of the players is NOT Regier's responsibilities. His FA signings have done nothing but help us. It's the stars on our team which are not producing, even though THEY HAVE EVERY YEAR.

From my vantage point in any event (I can't speak for others), Regier has had 12 played seasons (13 is you count the lockout) to produce a Stanley Cup Championship Team.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but he hasn't thus far succeeded. Squanto makes a point per his opinion on competitiveness from our team, and, I must concede for full disclosures sake, Regier has had to weather a couple of situations that have hindered his efforts (i.e. the bankruptcy and subsequently, the lockout following that situation).

This in no way however, sways my opinion on his ultimate failure to make the necessary adjustments to accomplish the aforementioned task of a championship.

Lets take a look at his track record in brevity.
He completely fubared the Hasek situation when he took over, there was a real chance to garner a Cup in the closing 2 seasons of the late 90's and he failed to make the necessary adjustments to get us over the hump. He may not have built the team he was handed, but in all honesty, he failed when given a golden opportunity to achieve success.
Was this due to a lack of experience or was he just plain incompetent in not assessing what he was handed (i.e., did he not do his homework on the teams strengths and weaknesses and recognize the situation for what it is, kind of a scary thought if you ask me).

Lets move beyond the Hasek fiasco and past the bankrupcty and lockout.
Lets look at the moves he made to build the 05-06, 06-07 squads. Clearly this indicates he has the ability to make moves, albiet risky ones (no one really knew if Briere would blossom again from his early career with Phoenix) but the Drury pickup was a sound move for leadership. So, clearly Regier took a risk and made a sound decision on the other player and it payed dividends for the team.

Now lets look at how he handles attempting to get them over the hump, so to speak to win a championship. He botched it, plain and simple, and lost the 2 best assests this team had from that squad. And here is another really scary thing about Regier. He got nothing in return for them. Thats not the sign of a competent GM. If its 1 player that walks its one thing, but both? Nothing will ever sway my thoughts on that, it is what it is from my prospective, just another lost opportunity from this GM.

Ok, lets move on from those years and focus on this current squad, with its interchangable parts for a second round pick each season combined with less than stellar FA signings to better the team and make it more "competitive".
It is true we won the NE division last season. Many will say Miller carried this team, and they would be correct, he did bail them out, time and time again in the regular season. The real sad part of this is that it was clear for all to see during the Boston series that those who have been advocating (thats putting it mildly, more like screaming it for the better part of 3 seasons now) that additional talent was needed for them to push over the hump. Its not so much the amount of goals as is the clutch type player/players that we sorely lack.

Regiers failure to address this problem really hit a high note at the trade deadline last season and the following off season that just transpired. The team has clearly digressed in certain areas, not many, but a couple. More important than that however, is the clear lack from Regier to address the already prevelant and well known needs the team needed to address in order to move forward with progress.

Now, is that Darcy's fault? As Sara Palin would say: "You bet your bippy it is".
Darcy Regier is the General Manager of the Buffalo Sabres. The product I see on the ice whether I am the game or watching on TV is his and his alone. He was hired to build it, its that simple.
If, as Squanto points out, there is meddling from Quinn or any other, its Darcy how must bare the burden of responsibility for allowing it to happen while continuing to where that title.

I know people do not like to have this pointed out, but take a look up North of us in Toronto, you want to see a GM that isn't afraid to take risks, look no further than Brian Burke. Granted, Toronto isn't competing for the Cup, atleast not yet (interesting start to their season however), but it must be plainly clear to see that Burke is a GM who will trade assets and make moves that have, in fact, bettered that squad.

If the Sabres organization is frowned upon due to its dealings with players in the past specifically from this management team, then fire them. Its not just Ruff, a majority of players I see speaking (Peca, Barnaby, Drury himself in an interview) have actually said that the system is fairly sound. Its the tools Lindy is given to work with and those tools come from Regier.

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I largely believe after this offseason that Darcy has his hands tied by upper management. He made comments after Tim Kennedy's departure that were along the lines of, "if management lets me, I will make more trades." We don't have the luxury of spending to the cap and we don't have the luxury of having an owner who will do anything to win. Did anyone hear how wimpy the crowd's ovation was for Tom Golisano at the Montreal game? I'm shocked people didn't boo. I just think it's sad that every year there seems to be no major change, regardless of who is at fault.

We just want to win. Even if we came close, like made it to the ECF or Stanley Cup finals I could be satisfied. I feel this team is a little far away from that at this point and I'm all for rebuilding, but the problem is that I feel management or Lindy do not let off the vibe that they're in it to win it. Rebuilding is just an excuse for sucking ass, not that we are actually doing it. It's also not appealing for players to come to a city with an already bad reputation of poverty and a high crime rate with shitty winter weather to boot, but it especially doesn't help that it appears that the team has a lackadaisical front office. Now, those of us who live in Buffalo obviously have a different perspective of the city and it's not as bad as it seems (sometimes :P), but when you can go play in a nice city and have a team that has a huge chance of winning, it doesn't make sense to come to a team like Buffalo. It's a harsh reality and it sucks.

One thing I can admire about Brian Burke is that because players know he wants to win and he will do anything to make a good team, players want to go play for him, even if the team is rebuilding. Toronto is becoming a good team, no one can deny that. But with Toronto's front office before, nothing was getting done and players didn't want to go there. A change in attitude can change everything.

I will say, though, that this offseason was TERRIBLE for free agents and pick ups. And listen folks, you may not think Gaustad is worth 2.3m and Vanek isn't worth 7.1m and Pominville isn't worth 5.3m and Hecht isn't worth 3.5m and Connolly isn't worth 4.5m and Roy isn't worth 4m and so on and so on; but guess what, if we don't, other teams certainly don't! You can't trade shit and expect to get gold.

Now, I also understand that hindsight is 20/20 with a lot of the contracts I listed off above. We lost great playmakers and leaders in Briere and Drury and that is REALLY hard to replace. No one can deny that our offense was crippled after they left. I also know that was now 3 off seasons ago and I let go of that by the season that followed, but at the same time, this team's offense has not been the same since. I do think our defense has improved since 06-07, but now we are missing the offensive touch and leadership, which isn't easy to come by and especially not this past offseason.

In the grand scheme of things, it is incredibly disappointing to see them on this losing streak. I'm tired of Lindy juggling lines and being ineffective at rallying the troops, I'm tired of the players looking lost and awful on the ice when we know their capabilities (looking at you Tyler Myers, but he's definitely not the only one), and I'm tired of our upper management. At this point, I think everyone has some stake in the blame and that won't change until people take ownership.


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For whatever reason Myers has been a step slow this season. And it's hurting his team. A lot.

The first period was great, they really moved the puck brilliantly and in doing so ensured the better of the attacking opportunities for themselves. And they got a few bounces and capitalized. The Champions exploited a weakness, the long bomb pass. Really, Buffalo had no answer for it and it cost them the game. That simple.

Lalime was okay.

I have hope that once this team gains confidence they can will themselves to a long winning streak. The hole they are digging should hit the bottom soon.

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