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Skyline_BNR34
 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:23 pm 
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I don't care who would have suggested it, in that particular game it would have been utterly stupid and moronic to ever pull the goalie on the PP there.

In other games, where the team didn't already have a SHG, I could agree with it that they should have tried, but watching that game, no. The coach was smart to not do something really stupid at that point, and just accept the loss anyways.


The point is that even if you disagree with his idea, you will not call him a moron.

Ok then, but I still say in that game it would have done nothing anyways, if you lose 5-2 and you take 43 shots, you simply lost the game. Why make it worse then it is?

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:46 am 
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I agree with everyone here who advocates pulling the goalie in an aggressive situation

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 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
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Yeah, coaches seem to hate pulling their goalie. There have been plenty of times when I think a coach should pull their goalie but they just wait too long to do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:26 pm 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Wow Powerplayer, you're a moron for even suggesting that in that game.

The Hurricanes were outskating the Sharks to every loose puck that game, they had so many shorthanded chances you'd be a fool to pull your goalie and try to score, because the score would have easily been 6-2 if they did that.

The coach was smart for not pulling the goalie and trying to score, there was no way they would have scored anyways, Ward made 41 saves that game anyways. The Hurricanes played a great game and were the much much faster team.



How can you not understand the concept of "nothing to lose" when you're down 3 goals in the closing minutes.

And as another poster smartly pointed out, an extra attacker DOES give you a better chance. Common sense.

The SHarks had NOTHING to lose by trying that, only goals to gain.


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 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:28 pm 
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powerplayer wrote:
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Wow Powerplayer, you're a moron for even suggesting that in that game.

The Hurricanes were outskating the Sharks to every loose puck that game, they had so many shorthanded chances you'd be a fool to pull your goalie and try to score, because the score would have easily been 6-2 if they did that.

The coach was smart for not pulling the goalie and trying to score, there was no way they would have scored anyways, Ward made 41 saves that game anyways. The Hurricanes played a great game and were the much much faster team.



Anyway, the MORON is the one who doesn't understand the concept of "nothing to lose" when you're down 3 goals in the closing minutes.

And as another poster smartly pointed out, an extra attacker DOES give you a better chance. Common sense.

The SHarks had NOTHING to lose by trying that, only goals to gain.

Or goals against

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 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:29 pm 
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powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Wow Powerplayer, you're a moron for even suggesting that in that game.

The Hurricanes were outskating the Sharks to every loose puck that game, they had so many shorthanded chances you'd be a fool to pull your goalie and try to score, because the score would have easily been 6-2 if they did that.

The coach was smart for not pulling the goalie and trying to score, there was no way they would have scored anyways, Ward made 41 saves that game anyways. The Hurricanes played a great game and were the much much faster team.



How can you not understand the concept of "nothing to lose" when you're down 3 goals in the closing minutes.

And as another poster smartly pointed out, an extra attacker DOES give you a better chance. Common sense.

The SHarks had NOTHING to lose by trying that, only goals to gain.



Skyline actually kind of helps Powerplayer's point.

If you're getting beat to loose pucks, then you NEED that extra attacker to help get yourself back in the game.

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powerplayer
 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:30 pm 
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sabres1996 wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Wow Powerplayer, you're a moron for even suggesting that in that game.

The Hurricanes were outskating the Sharks to every loose puck that game, they had so many shorthanded chances you'd be a fool to pull your goalie and try to score, because the score would have easily been 6-2 if they did that.

The coach was smart for not pulling the goalie and trying to score, there was no way they would have scored anyways, Ward made 41 saves that game anyways. The Hurricanes played a great game and were the much much faster team.



Anyway, the MORON is the one who doesn't understand the concept of "nothing to lose" when you're down 3 goals in the closing minutes.

And as another poster smartly pointed out, an extra attacker DOES give you a better chance. Common sense.

The SHarks had NOTHING to lose by trying that, only goals to gain.

Or goals against


Getting back in the game is more important than a possibly higher GAA for one game.


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Skyline_BNR34
 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:31 pm 
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Whatever, it would have been stupid, one extra attacker was not going to help the Sharks out, they were already get to loose pucks on their own powerplay.

If they had good control on the PP maybe it could have worked, but they weren't even keeping the puck away from 4 guys with 5 on the ice.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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CriminallyVu1gar
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The only real counterargument is not wanting to hurt your goal differential for a potential playoff tiebreaker, but I can't find any evidence that goal differential has ever been necessary as a tiebreaker.

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powerplayer
 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:15 pm 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Whatever, it would have been stupid, one extra attacker was not going to help the Sharks out, they were already get to loose pucks on their own powerplay.

If they had good control on the PP maybe it could have worked, but they weren't even keeping the puck away from 4 guys with 5 on the ice.


"Whatever" is right.

The Sharks had nothing to lose by pulling the goalie. Nothing. You're assuming the team will not go into a frenzy at the end with the goalie pulled, which is interesting, since the Sabres have shown a penchant to do exactly that after a poor game.

Nothing. To. Lose.


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 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:24 pm 
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powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Whatever, it would have been stupid, one extra attacker was not going to help the Sharks out, they were already get to loose pucks on their own powerplay.

If they had good control on the PP maybe it could have worked, but they weren't even keeping the puck away from 4 guys with 5 on the ice.


"Whatever" is right.

The Sharks had nothing to lose by pulling the goalie. Nothing. You're assuming the team will not go into a frenzy at the end with the goalie pulled, which is interesting, since the Sabres have shown a penchant to do exactly that after a poor game.

Nothing. To. Lose.


Well, that's not entirely true since goal differential COULD come into play as a playoff tiebreaker, and it is easier to concede goals with no netminder. But the goal differential tiebreak has such a small chance of happening the point is almost moot.

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Skyline_BNR34
 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:09 am 
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But did you watch that particular game?

Had you it would have been stupid to do so. If it had been different where the Sharks might have been closer to tying the game, maybe it would have worked. But being down 3 goals is too hard to overcome most of this time.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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powerplayer
 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:00 am 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But did you watch that particular game?

Had you it would have been stupid to do so. If it had been different where the Sharks might have been closer to tying the game, maybe it would have worked. But being down 3 goals is too hard to overcome most of this time.


Well then maybe the Sharks should've just forfeited the game with 5:40 left since, according to you, the game was already over anyway.

OK.


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Squanto
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:02 am 
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
The only real counterargument is not wanting to hurt your goal differential for a potential playoff tiebreaker, but I can't find any evidence that goal differential has ever been necessary as a tiebreaker.


With goal diff as the 4th listed tiebreaker, and effectively the 5th with the new rules on shootout points, goal diff should never be considered at any time.


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 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:58 pm 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But did you watch that particular game?

Had you it would have been stupid to do so. If it had been different where the Sharks might have been closer to tying the game, maybe it would have worked. But being down 3 goals is too hard to overcome most of this time.


I don't get why it's stupid. You say they have no chance, fine. But why not PULL THE GOALIE to get a better chance of coming back? You're calling them stupid if they pull the goalie, but it's the exact opposite. Do everything to win.

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Squanto
 Post subject: Re: Pulling the Goalie
PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:43 pm 
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0.1% chance > 0.0% chance..

Pretty simple.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:54 pm 
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Well I was saying in that game it is stupid because of how the game went, had the game not been as fast paced and slowed down I would say try it, but because I watched that game, and the Sharks were not the better team, what's the point, if you don't see what I'm saying then fine, I'm done arguing this point.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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What you're saying is very stupid. You say because they have a small chance of winning they shouldn't try, which makes you sound like a complete fuck...

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Well I was saying in that game it is stupid because of how the game went, had the game not been as fast paced and slowed down I would say try it, but because I watched that game, and the Sharks were not the better team, what's the point, if you don't see what I'm saying then fine, I'm done arguing this point.


I watched the game too, which is why I started this thread.

Yes, the Sharks play was horrible, HOWEVER, as Squanto pointed out, you have a choice of almost no chance of winning and no chance of winning.

I'd pull the goalie, no matter how poorly my team had been playing, to increase, even if only slightly, the chance we could net a goal.

Not that complicated.


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Skyline_BNR34
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Had this been game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals I'd say try it, but in game 7 or whatever of the regular season, who cares, lost the game already, 3 goals in 5 minutes is almost impossible, especially if no one else was scoring besides Marleau anyways.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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