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slesh
PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:36 pm 
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Lindy isn't the problem. The 'core' players that Darcy has given him are the problem. Unfortunately, Lindy is probably going to be the sacrificial lamb out of all this.

This I agree with Squanto. And you would be correct, it is sad, because when Lindy was given the appropriate tools by Regier, he made hockey exciting in Buffalo.

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Squanto wrote:
While I'm not discounting the blog-o-spehere at all, the 'growing Lindy talk' is basically nothing more than some bloggers and Mike Schopp, who has honestly been on Lindy's jock for years. He's in the 'change for the sake of change' group, which I think is a terrible argument.

If the Sabres rip off 4 or 5 straight (which seems like a stretch given their current play), all this talk goes away.

The evaluation process should be simple.

- Do I think my coach is doing a good job with the players he has been given?
- If not, is there someone out there that I can hire that can do better?
- Do I think my GM is giving my coach the best possible players to achieve the greatest success?
- If not, is there someone out there that I can hire that can do better?

If you want the coach fired, you better have a replacement in mind that can do better. Lindy is not without his flaws, but one could make the point that he has gotten the most out of what he's had to work with. He's not been the same since the Drury/Briere debacle, and made some comments at the time that thought he'd had just about enough of the organization. I think those comments were telling.

Darcy Regier is 10 times more of a problem than Lindy Ruff is. (And LQ is 100 times more of a problem than Regier, unfortunately we're stuck with him.)




uugghhh Quinn.... he's the reason for the castration of Darcy and Ruff... and now hes a minority owner... if we lose Darcy and/or Ruff... Id bet we wouldn't make it out of the first round of the play-offs for the better part of a decade, if we got to the play-offs... My thought is if Darcy and/or Ruff depart, Quinn gains more power than he has now... Quinn with more power = a much much worse Sabres team than we have currently...

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They were just talking about this on NHL Power Play on NHLN. They skirted the direct question of firing Ruff and instead gave a bunch of safe answers like: "Miller hasn't played like the Vezina winner he was last year but he'll come around", "Losing Pomminville is certainly having an effect" and they played the "maybe they're still hung over from losing to Boston."

They did say "how many times of Lindy's tenure could you have said the same thing?" which kind of seemed like they were implying that his firing should have happened before.....dunno.

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They were just talking about this on NHL Power Play on NHLN. They skirted the direct question of firing Ruff and instead gave a bunch of safe answers like: "Miller hasn't played like the Vezina winner he was last year but he'll come around", "Losing Pomminville is certainly having an effect" and they played the "maybe they're still hung over from losing to Boston."

They did say "how many times of Lindy's tenure could you have said the same thing?" which kind of seemed like they were implying that his firing should have happened before.....dunno.


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Lindy is starting to get pissed.

I just listened to the post game interview from last night, and he is fucking pissed. Sounds like he has Craig Rivet pissed off at him, too.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Lindy is starting to get pissed.

I just listened to the post game interview from last night, and he is fucking pissed. Sounds like he has Craig Rivet pissed off at him, too.


glad to hear he's still got some fire... and should Rivet be passed at Lindy for his play?

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Last night's post-game Lindy is the kind of Lindy that needs to be coaching this team, not the passive "let the league take care of things" Lindy that he's morphed into following the Ottawa brawl. Let's see if his fire carries over into tonight's game.

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I watched the post game presser on Sabres TV.
He didn't seem pissed at all. It appeared to be the same Lindy we've seen through out the beggining of the season.
Am looking at the right presser? The 10/29/10 post game presser?

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slesh wrote:
I watched the post game presser on Sabres TV.
He didn't seem pissed at all. It appeared to be the same Lindy we've seen through out the beggining of the season.
Am looking at the right presser? The 10/29/10 post game presser?


I didn't watch. I listened on WGR. I caught a vibe while listening but I didn't see it so...

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Squanto wrote:
Lindy isn't the problem. The 'core' players that Darcy has given him are the problem. Unfortunately, Lindy is probably going to be the sacrificial lamb out of all this.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but blaming the core may not be right. Lindy inherited a team that was good, and had the greatest goaltender to ever wear a sweater. No credit due there. Since then, Regier made a few trades, and as previously believed, drafted and farmed several talented players. I ask which of these players flourished under Ruff? His epic achievement might be Derek Roy. If you really look at transitioning talent from AHL to NHL, or even traded players, he hasn't formed any champions. This ain't meant to be a Ruff bash, but I just started typing, and couldn't hit backspace, because it was true.

Edit: I know this is irrelevant, but I would not personally want to be coached by Lindy Ruff. I've seen some guys go south with him, and I'm not just saying Max. When Jochen arrived here, he drove the net harder, and with more power than almost anyone. That Jochen just vanished before my eyes, and I've been left wondering why ever since. Lather, rinse, repeat.


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I'd get rid of the dumb ass Darcy first, he has gave Lindy nothing to work with.

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I'd get rid of the dumb ass Darcy first, he has gave Lindy nothing to work with.

ruff has plenty to work with, he just sucks.

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I don't think Ruff sucks, I just think he's been in place that things are stagnating and now there's a disconnect between coaching and players. It's not like Tony Dungy magically became a better coach when he went from Tampa to Indianapolis, or John Gruden from Oakland to Tampa, or Don Shula from Baltimore to Miami, or Marv Levy from Kansas City and Philadelphia to Buffalo.

Looks to me like the team and Lindy don't fit together anymore.

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No one likes change. No one WANTS to see Lindy go but something drastic needs to be done. I also believe things have gone static. You need to create a major spark with these guys to get the fire going again. What other major spark can you do except get rid of your coach. That will open the eyes of every, especially our Vets who have only know him as their coach. They will either sink or swim.

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Squanto wrote:
The drastic solution is often the wrong solution.

Then what needs to change because something seriously does

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Ruff should be fairly well down on the list of things to change. Last season everybody was healthy and Myers played great. So far this season several injuries and poor play from Myers, Rivet, and a few forwards has slowed the team down. Myers needs to tone down his stick handling. Teams are pressuring him more and forcing the TOs while the forwards were not coming back to support the defense enough. He also IS NOT a good PP QB, and shouldn't be until he has more experience in that role. Rivet isn't 100% yet, and he's too slow for what Ruff wants from his d-men in the breakout. Connolly's line has been lacking some with Pominville out, but his absence is really hurting the PK more. Morrisonn's injury put others in a bigger PK role also, and nobody has stepped up in that area. Roy and Vanek have their flashes but even with Stafford playing a little better, that line just isn't and will not be what we all want it to be.

They are better than what they've shown so far, but still a 2nd rate cup contender. That isn't Ruff's fault, and it's not even all the players fault. There's five million more in cap room that could've been spent for a bigger impact player through FA or in a trade. The players know this and most don't like it. It's hard to put in every last ounce of effort when you know the organization isn't doing the same thing. The team isn't stagnant with Ruff, the entire organization is stagnant and satisfied with mediocrity.


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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I don't think Ruff sucks, I just think he's been in place that things are stagnating and now there's a disconnect between coaching and players. It's not like Tony Dungy magically became a better coach when he went from Tampa to Indianapolis, or John Gruden from Oakland to Tampa, or Don Shula from Baltimore to Miami, or Marv Levy from Kansas City and Philadelphia to Buffalo.

Looks to me like the team and Lindy don't fit together anymore.

That's where I'm coming from too

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It's time for a break up.

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I believe that Lindy has enough to work with to at least be a 6th in the conference, I mean we won the conference last season with virtually the same tools. Leo ad Morrison maybe a little bit of a step down from Lyds and Tallinder but not enough to bring us down to where we are now. Random reports, reliable I am not sure, have been surfacing about how some of the players, anonymously, are getting tired of Lindy. There is no doubt in my mind that Lindy wont prosper somewhere else but right now the guys looks lost out there. It seems like instead of just playing hockey they are trying too hard to live up to Lindy's system or set of rules that are laid out for them that they make a ton of more mistakes.


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