So you say our history sucks, say our pride of our city is annoying, but when we lay down historical facts and reasons to why we love our city, you say "not impressive?" Honestly, YOU'RE not impressive. Go to Philadelphia. I hope you become a Flyers fan. They can use another asshole.

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Meh. Can't blame the guy for defending his opinion. For every post he's made, he's gotten three opposing it (not each and every post, but on average). Anyone would want to defend his reasoning in that position, really. To suggest he shouldn't purely because he is outnumbered is groupthink. His initial posts weren't offensive at all, taken on their own merit (actually he said that he does love Buffalo); he only first made an offensive remark in response to being told that he was stating pompous bullshit, for example.

People should live where they like and call it a day. This is all bizarre to me. Maybe it's because of how I grew up, but attachment to any one place to the extent that someone's giving his honest appraisal of it that is not directed at specific citizens of the city but at general ideals and current circumstances and the history of it (which is not something the current denizens can exactly control lol) is foreign to me. Likewise, giving a negative opinion of some aspects of a city that is obviously adored by most people in a given population is slightly unwise, to say the least.

I don't side with anyone because I don't care; I like Buffalo a lot, my family lives near Albany, and I live in Indiana. These things don't have sides to me, anyway; like I said, live where you like or where there are jobs, whatever your reasoning is, and call it a day. Who cares if someone else dislikes where you live? I've been to Philadelphia multiple times and don't like it at all for various reasons, none of which are positive lol (general discourtesy, behavior of sports fans, and a slightly pretentious vibe, for example), and I'll give those opinions if attacked or insulted for my dislike, but so what? I may not like someone's behavior at a sporting event, but that's not a critique of him as a complete person.

I think there's more or less a misunderstanding of intent here, but I have an extremely.... gray? way of viewing everything in general and see it all as balances.

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HAHA, i can't believe you'd go debate Buffalonians on their city. I'd do the same is someone took a pot shot at Rochester. I love it, but I don't think the greatness of a region is based on how historically significant it is/was. It's based on how it survives through it all, and both Rochester and Buffalo have done that and therefore gain equal ratings in my book. I'm a Rochester homer, but I wouldn't go anywhere out of my way to mock Buffalo.

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Yeah, I think you're missing what happened here.

US: Buffalo may have it's problems, but we're proud of our history, even though we want it to be better in the future.

UF: Buffalo's history is unimportant and insignificant, and nothing to be proud of.

That's all it boils down to.

in all of the arguing, my primary point was lost.

the constant reiteration if buffalo's historical and cultural significance is what has irritated me. i was touting buffalo's uniqueness for years, alienating myself from identifying with things that are integral to me. it's not as if i'm an out-of-towner going to college here, complaining about how the train stops running at midnight (which, considering the size of this city isn't that bad); i've just gotten to the point where i see this fervency of buffalo pride becoming counterproductive.

it's the same thing as what happens with the sabres or the bills. it's the same thing that would have happened if paladino was elected governor. western new yorkers eager to project their affairs on a larger scale constantly make bad decisions for themselves, their city, and the people affected by those decisions.

you can all hate me for feeling that way, think i'm wrong, whatever. it doesn't matter. i still love the sabres and i enjoy buffalo. i do like the flyers, but so do a lot of other people. however, i do have to say that even the loyalty in philadelphia isn't this rabid and unapologetic. buffalo has surpassed that madness, apparently.

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UF - we should be emo like me and hate everything

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I think living in Buffalo is something people should be very proud of. It may have a plethora of downfalls, but for me, no place I've been has beaten how amazing I think Buffalo really is. And I don't think it's just like any other city in the northeast. Buffalo has a history that a lot of the citizens are proud of, something I can certainly say doesn't exist where I grew up. People here ARE extremely amazing. Hell, the people here were half the reason I came here for college.

In picking colleges, I had 3 choices: 2 on Long Island, and UB. I visited the 2 on Long Island first, and hated it. One of the colleges was really pretty and awesome, but the people there were horrid. They were all rude and unnecessarily asshole-y. Then I came up here, and almost everywhere you go, people treat you with respect. People genuinely try to help you, if you need it. Hell, try driving in the DC metro area, and then come up here. It's a whole different world. People actually let you in when you're trying to merge!!

I don't disagree with the fact that things need to change, but people here better be damn proud of their city. Buffalo is pretty fuckin' awesome, man. It's my home now, and I don't ever want to leave.

i like how you use "emo" as an adjective. that does several things besides inadvertently bringing to mind that your misconception regarding the use of said term is the epitome of the current trend towards the cheapening of language.

also, the negative connotation you have made explicit through the use of sarcasm renders that statement slanderous and inaccurate.

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young people everywhere have been allowed to choose between love and a garbage disposal unit. everywhere they have chosen the garbage disposal unit. (guy debord)

Sarcasm? That was serious. I hate when people are happy about things in their lives too!

I think the fact that you're dramatic enough to think that the use of the word "emo" as an adjective is the "epitome of the current trend towards the cheapening of language" shows that my characterization of you was pretty accurate.

The fact that you had to digress from your original argument to pick apart my language shows that the leg you're standing on in this thread is quite weak.

Evidently you also don't understand the definitions of the term "explicit" (meaning clearly expressed) and "sarcasm" (a cutting remark whose tone suggests that the intended meaning is opposite the words of the actual statement) either. After all for it to be explicit sarcasm, it would have to be clearly defined, which in the absence of tone (it being the internet and all) is not the case. You're assuming it's sarcastic based on my previous stances in this thread. Again, not explicit.

It also isn't sarcasm in the truest sense. (Unless you intend sarcasm to simply mean "a cutting remark" (who's cheapening language here?)) Parts of the remark are sarcastic, after all, I don't think "we should be emo," however the entire remark states that I believe that the above is the simplification of your previous post, and stance in this thread, something I quite honestly mean.


I believe the emoticon you're looking for is

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I drive on 495 way too often... Rochester and Buffalo traffic seems quite tame after 495..

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Says the guy who shits rainbows...

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I've kept quiet, because when I get angry, I get vulgar.

Look, dickhead. You're in a BUFFALO SABRES forum. I don't go into the Baltimore Ravens forums and shit on them because their town is (in my eyes) the asshole of the United States. If anything, I would applaud them for having SOMETHING to take pride in.

SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP. About MY town.

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I can see your view point UF, and its not that I believe you to be wrong either.
There are cities that have more in historical aspects that can be touted, but all cities should attempt to tout those aspects in an effort to put the city, area, region in a good light.

Buffalo is unipue in 1 aspect that the rest of the nation, hell, the rest of the world, should give thanks for and recognize its contribution to the modern era. That of course, is the great battles between Edison and Tesla.
I realize Niagara Falls is its own city, but we here in Buffalo (I live in Niagara County by the way) actually consider N.F. as encompassed with Buffalo as a larger region. Those great days of early electical generation and the ideas that were derived from those battles between 2 great minds gave birth to the most recognized man made wonder of man kind, that is the Electrical Generation and Transmission infrastructure in this nation.

It has done more to move progress in this nation, and globally for that matter, forward than any other event. Thats something to be proud of.

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Mr. Pegula, your destiny awaits you sir.

Stop trying to embolden your failboat arguments with liberal use of word salad. We're not stupid, we know what the words mean.

We get it. You're Mr. Negative. You enjoy 'learning from suffering' as your signature says. You see the bad side of things, and jump to the negative opinion every chance you get. You lay around, smoke a bowl, and mourn at society in general, thinking that it gives you some meaning, and that you're so much smarter than everyone else because you 'see the truth' in life. You cut yourself just to feel something. Blah blah blah...

Someday, when you grow up, you'll realize that although life isn't always awesome, it's something to be lived and cherished, not whined about and over analyzed. Nothing is ever going to be perfect, unless you're born into royalty like Eddie Murphy in Coming to America and a blow job constitutes washing your balls. Shit, even then you want to come live in a shithole apartment in Queens.

Smoke a bowl, try to get your dick wet, and live man. Stop trying to drag everything in life down.

Not trying to resurrect the dead here...but I had to put my hands together for this parting line.

Fuck Rivet, Squanto for captain!

i'm not trying to drag everyone in life down. i don't care what you think of me for my beliefs concerning buffalo, and i think i've made that clear. actually, i think buffalo should garner more of the attention that is being given to some other cities that are far less deserving.

i understand that coming into this thread with my perspective isn't going to make me any friends. the reactions, though, have been so predictably brash that they have only further reinforced why i can't get along with someone who is so devout and proud of being from western new york.

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young people everywhere have been allowed to choose between love and a garbage disposal unit. everywhere they have chosen the garbage disposal unit. (guy debord)

Oh boo hoo.

Anyways. What are some of your favorite restaurants in Buffalo? I have such a hard time narrowing mine down. I guess I would pick Mother's, Aroma, Cole's, Pearl St, Shango, Hutch's, La Tee Da, Sea Bar, Lagniappe's... There are just so many.

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Hockey Night in Buffalo

pizza plant is good. obviously brockport is in the rochester area, but mythos is amazing. that's not the same mythos on elmwood, by the way, which has no association with the one in brockport.

thank you for letting me know how i should feel about everyone's hostilities towards my ideas, though. i thought it was safe to remain slightly amused by everyone's defensiveness, but i see your point.

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young people everywhere have been allowed to choose between love and a garbage disposal unit. everywhere they have chosen the garbage disposal unit. (guy debord)

My best friend is a Rochester City Police Officer; that city is a shithole on its own level.

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Thank God I'm a country boy! *crash*

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