Yep.

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Some places it's 2-3 years, some places it's 5-25 years. It varies.

I still say the guy shouldn't get a dog. Who cares if people wouldn't care if it was roosters? It's still slaughtering 9 fucking dogs in 5 different brutal ways and hanging around with other people who fight dogs. The guy has also been caught with drugs (they said they found in a secret compartment in his water bottle a black tar substance AKA Black Tar Heroin). He's not a good person.

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what tom said. vick has proven hes rehabilitated and a better person now. lets see how he does.

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Um, it's federal law, not state law. I'm under the impression that federal law does not vary by state. Maybe that's just me.

For one, Vick didn't kill 9 dogs in 5 different ways. I do know that he killed "around 8" and watched one being electrocuted, not that he did it himself. And not that it make things any better, because what he did was disgusting regardless, but you're using the facts to make him sound way worse for the sake of your own argument.

They did tests on that substance in the water bottle and there was nothing illegal. And that was before he was convicted and BEFORE his rehabilitation. And again, there were no illegal drugs in that compartment. He did fail a piss test before he was sent to prison and tested positive for marijuana, but that was why he was sentenced to jail longer because the judge felt he wasn't really taking the situation seriously. And in my opinion, testing positive for marijuana is not a testament to someone's character in saying that they are a bad person.

How? What did he do to prove it? Not ordering dog chop suey for Chinese take out doesn't count

EDIT: In my opinion he shouldn't be allowed to own an animal ever again. I don't care if the reason was his enviroment, bad friends or whatever. Owning an animal is not crucial for living a decent life. He is fucked up enough to do it once, so why take the chance.

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It is. State laws must be, at minimum, what the federal law is, but they can raise fines/penalties if they so choose.

In case I'm not being clear, the federal laws say 2-3 years minimum, but say New York says the same violation in their state is 5-10 years minimum, that's legal. If New York were to say it was 6 months to a year, that would be illegal.

I guess my big issue is that I don't see directing ire at Vick as energy well spent.

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I understand that, but in Michael Vick's case, he was tried at the federal level and if the state wanted to press further on the issue and give him more time based off their laws, they could have done so.

ETA: Vick's case became a federal issue once it was discovered that he crossed state lines to partake in dog fights. Virginia, where the dog kennel was located, would have its own separate trial and sentencing.


ETA again: I realize I may have worded it funny initially so as for you to quote me and say what you did. What I meant was that federal law, in a federal court, does not vary state-by-state. I didn't mean that states can't enforce harsher penalties.

He should start with a Ferret, and work his way up.

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So he should be able to own a dog again? The dude failed at being a dog owner.

Michael Vick hosted dogfighting tournaments, in which he forced dogs to compete to their deaths, and he also admitted to personally participating in the torture and killings of at least 8 of the dogs.

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im going to hold beta fish tournaments. anyone want in?

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The president of the Humane Society thinks that Michael Vick will be ready to own a dog. I think his opinion holds water.

I don't think 'once a dog figher, always a dog fighter.' It's not like he was fighting his pets anyway, they were pitbulls specifically bred for fighting.

Boom. It was his pet he used...

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tucker carlson says vick should have been executed. and he meant it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5967015

what an ASSHOLE.

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Dick move and an overreaction, but at least he's been consistent. Anti-war, anti-abortion, anti-dog killing. I dunno how pro-vick killing figures into that though.

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I doubt he really meant that. I personally think he should have gotten a worse punishment but this is too far.

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maybe he didnt mean it completely, but if you say something like that....

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Well, I suppose Tucker is right that the President shouldn't be behind Vick, but what if he wins the SB. He'd then have to snub Vick, which is now considered wrong. I know this is extreme, but the crime committed is not just a crime, but also an indication of character. Can you rehabilitate Hitler, Stalin, or Dahmer?? You can't rehabilitate an asshole, a child molester, or a person who's heart is so black they can kill dogs in an inhumane way w/o remorse. If you can show me candid pictures of the guy picking daisies in a pink nighty, maybe, but I think the same dark, damaged soul still inhabits this guy, whether he's acting on it or not. The heinousness of the crime should dictate if there's a "2nd chance" or not. If this guy killed MY dogs, or molested MY kid, I know I wouldn't be offering an olive branch. It's a lot easier for some guy in a stadium booth(or random fan) to offer him forgiveness though, isn't it?

look, vick fucked up majorly. he suffered big time, deservedly so. he did his time, and he appears to be rehabilitated. forgive, but dont forget. as a dog lover, i was out raged when this happened, but hes a better person now, and you have to respect that.

but some asshat going on TV, and saying he should be executed for it...

i guess being pro life ends at birth with republicans.

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I just don't look at it as a "fuck up", major or not. The law stated his punishment, but I am not forced to agree that it was correct or sufficient(and this may well have been Carlson's point). I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him, and I wouldn't allow anyone in my family to either. If he were a child molester, would you be in favor of allowing him to adopt? It's kind of the same thing.