Are you high? You really think that Pegula is going to buy the team and instantly demand that the franchise player be moved?

What a joke.

YOU DON'T BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM BY TRADING AWAY YOUR GOOD PLAYERS. Your fascination with trading Miller for a goal scorer is just mind boggling. Do you see the Caps thinking about moving Ovie because they have no goaltending? No. It would be the dumbest move this franchise has ever made. One goal scorer will not turn this team around. One goal scorer will not compensate for the additional goals you'll give up with an unproven goaltender.

The best we can hope for is that Pegula brings in a new GM after this season, and that new GM gets rid of the dead weight on the roster.

I feel like Slesh is saying that the perception is that management tends to fall in love with its players and coaches to the point of keeping them for far too long, or not entertaining offers for someone because he's "our guy."

I don't know if that's actually true (I tend to think it isn't for the most part), but I'd like to think that the potential new ownership would be able to at least better convey that the ownership will do anything to win a cup, even if it means doing away with a fan favorite/untouchable player/messiah like Ryan Miller.

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What in the fuck are you talking about now Squanto?
You insist on screaming (atleast, it looks like your screaming in any event) about a "fascination" that I have with trading Miller, yet, my post didn't state that in any way, shape or form.
I merely stated all options will be on the table, including Miller. Where for fucks sake do you see goal scorer in that post? For that matter, where do you see trading him?
The post was merely a reflection of what I know, not think, know Pegula will do, which is to have a professional assesment done to map out a route to the Cup, and Miller, LIKE ANY OTHER COMMODITY IN THE ORGANIZATION (I.E. players are commodities, they are merely a means to an end either via playing for the club or getting moved) will be a part of that assesment.

What is it with your "fascination" on my opinions? Is there something deeper going on here I am not aware of?
Is this a "meet behind the wood shed" type of thing with you?

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I think what it boils down to is hoping that the new ownership has a desire to win at all costs that the current ownership just doesn't show.

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You've made post after post about how you feel that trading Miller would be a good idea if they could get a good scorer in return. Your feelings on this are well documented.

This would be correct CV.
And if Miller is a key component to that plan, then fine. But you are correct, my point was Pegula isn't going to play the money game. And Miller is a hot selling commodity with regards to merchandise, but Pegula isn't a dumby by any means. Stanley Cup Championships create heros, and heros sell just as well as Miller.

It wouldn't matter if it was a goalie, defenseman or forward, the bottom line is he'll review the assets of the team in accordance with what would work to bring the Cup to Buffalo.

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Who gives a flying fuck about past posts, you weren't responding to them, you were responding to the post I just put up. Don't side step it. I man up when I am wrong, where is the reciprocation?

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Just because you didn't specifically enumerate your desire to have Miller traded in that specific post doesn't mean I can't reference it.

This, Miller isn't going anywhere, ever. Now I don't like the number one goalie concept, i like competition at that position. But, if I'm going to have a high priced franchise goalie, Miller is a safe bet.

And furthermore, it's rather presumptuous to know what's in a would be owners head. Slesh is pretty much creating a fantasy world that he would choose if he were the owner, and my friend you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

Having said that, I would like to assume that this new owner would have less patience for the same old same old.

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Oh jesus, you have to be kidding me right? Your joking?
You've had a hair up your ass with me for awhile now, on a computer screen, thats all good.
But I dance the dance, if you have an issue with me, lets air it out.
If you'd like, I'll buy you a beer or 2, let you get to know me and who I am, if you still don't like me, we can dance.
I made my living with my hands and on my back, and it shows.

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I have no issue with you personally. I just strongly disagree with many of your hockey positions, that's all.

I've been fighting a sinus infection for weeks, and have probably been harsher than normally as a result. For that I apologize.

Past that, it's not personal man. Never has been, never will be.

Ok, well then, I was merely stating that if Miller is still here fine. And I do not deny that I have stated that he should be fair game. Look, my goal is the same as everyone elses, its a Stanley Cup Championship here in Buffalo. That would do alot more than just Miller would for this region.
I stated many moons ago that I don't have player loyalty (unless that player can help bring a Stanley Cup to Buffalo), what I desire, what most fans desire, is a Cup here in Buffalo.
Miller has an NMC I believe (I didn't bother to go to capgeek, so don't whack me if its an NTC), so yes, he most likely isn't going anywhere until his contract is up. I really shouldn't have to explain it this in depth Squanto, you are aware of where I was going with that post.

The point being brought across should be fairly clear, we are going to have to wait for any moves to be made after the sale, in which case, moves can come in only 2 ways.
1. Pegula takes control and has his team in place to guide the trade deadline for the organization.
or
2. If a deal is made by this current owners management team, Pegula has to be informed and it affects the worth of the organization. Simply put, those players contracts were indeed included in the overall asset listing of the club when the price of the club was established. Any deviation from that asset listing has to be disclosed to the purchaser, as in any commodity sales arrangement.

Miller is listed in those assets, just like the rest of them.

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I think that the all the ruffled feathers about moving Miller stem from the fact that he is the one player over the past 5 years who has been consistently good. Not necessarily great, but very good. There is abject fear and consternation about trading away your team's only true asset, who also, as Squanto points out, actually wants to be here. It's sad to think that in 5 years+ now, only one player (Tyler Myers) on the current roster from the farm system or juniors has come to Buffalo and turned into an impact player. Just one. This is a big deal for a team that relies so heavily on homegrown players. Lots of fools gold in the minors that has never been able to make up for the lost talent.

Vanek is an impact player. And Roy is half of one.

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Roy and Vanek were already here in '05-'06, I'm talking about since that time.

Ennis will be an impact player.

Myers will be an impact player.

Weber is looking promising.

Kassian is perfect for the new NHL.

Sekera is panning out.

Stafford might not be as much of a bust as we all previously thought.

Luke Adam has lots of potential.

They haven't done a poor job.

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I don't think Ennis will be an impact player.

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Miller doesn't have a NMC, he has a limited NTC, He can dictate 8 teams that he will not accept a trade to.

NHL players are assets, yes, but they're not financial assets. Their contracts are fixed financial liabilities included in the operating costs of the team. It's possible that Regier has been told not to add salary because of the pending sale, because an increase in player costs would be an increase in liabilities, therefore possibly affecting the terms of the sale. However, I don't think there would be any issues if a dollar for dollar move was made, or a reduction in player costs.

Everyone you mention, except for Myers (who already is an impact player), has only shown potential, nothing more. They could just as easily flop. I think people give the scouting department and farm system more credit than they deserve.

Stafford is a bust. He's a lot like Kotalik - shows up and plays hard once every 8-10 games, grabs some goals, then goes back into a funk.

There are variables your not mentioning here with regards to Ryan Miller that make him a financial asset, not a liability. But as I stated, Pegula won't be interested in that, he's interested in Stanley Cup Championships, which garner much larger financial assets than a Ryan Miller could bring.
If Miller is a part of that, all the better for the financial side, if he is moved to make a Championship happen, very good as well.

Moving any player, even dollar for dollar on contracts is not the only consideration here. There are extenuating market value that needs to be considered as well. The asset evaluation takes into account more than just the players net worth to the team itself, it takes into account both present and future gross worth. (Market worth beyond the contract itself).
If there was a reduction in player costs, as you put it, it changes the net worth of the organization, and therefore changes the sale price of the team. Unfortunately, I am correct on this Squanto, you may have your college degree in this or that, but I am going through real world experience in contracts on valued assets. There is a plethora of variables involved in something like this. If anything changes, the price inherently changes.
These guys didn't make the amount of money they did by allowing it to operate otherwise.

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