Squanto wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Really? Because tanking has worked out pretty well for the Penguins. Lemieux, Malkin, Staal, Fleury, Crosby, 3 Stanley Cups....
That wasn't tanking. That was a culture of losing. Take Mario out of the mix since he's not on the current team.
Fleury, 2003, 1st overall
Malkin, 2004, 2nd overall
Crosby, 2005, 1st overall
Staal, 2006, 2nd overall
How did they get those picks?
02-03 27-44-6-5 , 65 points
03-04 23-47-8-4 , 58 points
04-05 Lockout
05-06 22-46-14, 58 points
ANY franchise that lays down so much consecutive suck that they rack up 3 consecutive top 2 picks, AND not lose position in the draft lottery, AND win the Sidney Crosby Sweepstakes is going to end up turning their team around pretty quick. It's still sure as shit not a recommended path. They played like shit to earn some great picks, and got lucky that the Crosby draft was weighted to reward suck. (Although the Sabres had the same chance as the Pens had to be completely fair.)
They tanked. Trust me. I know. To begin with they were in a race to see who could lose more with NJ to draft Lemieux. It's a fact, it's well documented, dozens of telling quotes have entered my ears about it. Everything but EJ coming right out and saying, "Of course we fucking tanked, are you fucking retarded? It's Lemieux you moron.".
The tradition was reborn when the team entered it's financial spiral. Money justified the losing, so they lost VERY well. They claimed to have interviewed hundreds of coaches and settled with the color commentator who never even coached a pee wee game before. They dumped Jagr, Straka, Lang, Kovalev, and many more for crap and lots of it. The GM was rumored to not even have an internet connection in his office, and their scouting of young talent imploded with the departure of Scotty Bowman and they just kicked around the rubble instead of rebuilding it (it's getting better but still amount the worst in the league). The only way the Penguins could find talent in the draft is if it's top 5.
They knew they would be bad, so they decided to be the best at being bad. They tanked HARD.