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uummm second line in.... "The argument against rebuilding is just more of the same old Darcy bull about building from within..." :lol:

As for who I'd move... I'd still send Vanek, pick.... maybe prospect for Malkin... but that'll never happen...lol

The entire point of my post was simple. There are a few people I would want to keep and all others are on the chopping block. It's just my opinion. As for Darcy, if you honestly think he's gonna be here let alone make the moves needed to really improve this team instead of lateral signings etc, well good luck with that.

Look, this shit about Darcy having his hands tied is horse shit. All I have heard from him is how if we build from within we'll be a great team blah blah blah. Well? Where is that Cup? Oh yea.....still building from within. It's old and i'm not falling for his crap again. How about the "it'll be fun playing without Roy" blurb he spit out? The guy just strikes me as an ass hat. He hasn't made a move worth writing home about for some time and the mistakes he's made in not signing people were terrible. Luckily I don't think I'll have to have this debate for very much longer. You're invited to the going away party I'll be throwing for him if you want. :D



I didn't really like the Roy quote you're right on that.... And I would like to know if it was a Darcy or Quinn policy "not to negotiate contracts in season" .... it's still a fun debate... I still may attend the going away party... depending on who they hire as GM...lol... not that I know anything about GM talent that may be out there, but you guys should be able to give me an idea...lol

Same signature! WOOT!

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Not to defend Darcy, but 'build from within' could simply be his was of saying 'I can't do shit' without actually saying it. If his hands were tied, do you honestly think he could come out and say it? No way; he'd be fired instantly.

There is something to be said for the fact that Darcy USED to make decent moves, but really hasn't since BTG has owned the team and he's reported to Quinn. He's obviously capable of doing it, and I don't think it's coincidence that it stopped when Quinn was effectively in charge.

Regardless, I'd think Pegula wants his own people in place, so I don't worry too much about Darcy being around after this year.


I see logic in that. If Darcy's hand HAVE been tied and he really is the great white hope some people think he is then I'll eat my crow happily. I guess the whole Drury/Briere debacle combined with basically jack squat since had really turned my opinion of him south. I'm no GM, hell I'm just an artist so what I say is just an opinion. What I hate seeing is a stud goal tender and not a whole lot supporting him. It's a waste to have such talent and not bring in the tools needed to utilize it. If it's really Quinn who is the ass behind the curtain then so be it. I guess I'll just cross my fingers and see what happens in the next 9 months.

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Squanto wrote:
Not to defend Darcy, but 'build from within' could simply be his was of saying 'I can't do shit' without actually saying it. If his hands were tied, do you honestly think he could come out and say it? No way; he'd be fired instantly.

There is something to be said for the fact that Darcy USED to make decent moves, but really hasn't since BTG has owned the team and he's reported to Quinn. He's obviously capable of doing it, and I don't think it's coincidence that it stopped when Quinn was effectively in charge.

Regardless, I'd think Pegula wants his own people in place, so I don't worry too much about Darcy being around after this year.



Thats my point.... Darcy has to shovel what Quinn tells him to... Darcy did speak out a little this summer didn't he? And they Gillmore, Juno, Danny, Chris deals were extremely solid... and now we get Moore, Torres, etc... I know it's a little harder to put deals together in the cap era... but come on... he HAS to see the short comings on this team...

anyways... regardless of what happens... as long as Quinn packs his fucking desk and GsTFO and we have a new owner who is a Sabres fan that wants to WIN! Im ecstatic...

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anyways... regardless of what happens... as long as Quinn packs his fucking desk and GsTFO and we have a new owner who is a Sabres fan that wants to WIN! Im ecstatic...

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anyways... regardless of what happens... as long as Quinn packs his fucking desk and GsTFO and we have a new owner who is a Sabres fan that wants to WIN! Im ecstatic...

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Let the great rebuild begin!


Why rebuild? The team is just 2 or 3 players away to make significant gains to make playoffs.

at least that is what Regier and Quinn wants you to believe....lol

Rebuilding for this playoff season would be a waste of money I think. In the Spring though, man we have a lot of fat that could be trimmed.


there's still a chance making the playoffs.

I think that many teams give up too early.

I guess I'm just looking ahead. Yes there is a a chance to make it in but with this squad we're talking about a shallow run at best. Would love to see fresh faces next season and a new attitude.


Couldn't agree more. I do think that one or two guys would make a huge difference but this current team would be out in the first round if they made it. Their's not enough scoring on this current team to get them far.


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Why rebuild? The team is just 2 or 3 players away to make significant gains to make playoffs.[/quote]
at least that is what Regier and Quinn wants you to believe....lol[/quote]
Rebuilding for this playoff season would be a waste of money I think. In the Spring though, man we have a lot of fat that could be trimmed.[/quote]

there's still a chance making the playoffs.

I think that many teams give up too early.[/quote]
I guess I'm just looking ahead. Yes there is a a chance to make it in but with this squad we're talking about a shallow run at best. Would love to see fresh faces next season and a new attitude.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more. I do think that one or two guys would make a huge difference but this current team would be out in the first round if they made it. Their's not enough scoring on this current team to get them far.[/quote]

I still don't think there is enough size and/or grit... we'd get eaten up against Boston in a 7 game series again.... The question I'd have, are there any moves that can be made that could build toward the future? No rentals, but a guy that we would or could keep around for a few seasons?

I think we have some pieces to give up.... some fat to trim... some prospects coming up and some up coming cap room that could be a decent roster shake up and quick rebuild...

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Squanto wrote:
Not to defend Darcy, but 'build from within' could simply be his was of saying 'I can't do shit' without actually saying it. If his hands were tied, do you honestly think he could come out and say it? No way; he'd be fired instantly.

There is something to be said for the fact that Darcy USED to make decent moves, but really hasn't since BTG has owned the team and he's reported to Quinn. He's obviously capable of doing it, and I don't think it's coincidence that it stopped when Quinn was effectively in charge.

Regardless, I'd think Pegula wants his own people in place, so I don't worry too much about Darcy being around after this year.



My issue with Darcy is him telling us about the market and the market wasn't there on trades. He has been saying the same stupid things for years.


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My issue with Darcy is him telling us about the market and the market wasn't there on trades. He has been saying the same stupid things for years.


He's not totally wrong. There have been very few trades that weren't dollar for dollar moves since the lockout. Some, but not nearly as many as there used to be.


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Nobody wants to trade with our current squad. NOBODY. NOBODY.

This is now my catch phrase.

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Squanto wrote:
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My issue with Darcy is him telling us about the market and the market wasn't there on trades. He has been saying the same stupid things for years.


He's not totally wrong. There have been very few trades that weren't dollar for dollar moves since the lockout. Some, but not nearly as many as there used to be.


Squanto do you see any big trades out there at all anymore? can they happen any more or has the cap pretty much crushed it and the the value for top talent simply to much to give up...

Or do you simply have to build through free agency and the draft.... and hope not to over pay to much in free agency...

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Squanto wrote:
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My issue with Darcy is him telling us about the market and the market wasn't there on trades. He has been saying the same stupid things for years.


He's not totally wrong. There have been very few trades that weren't dollar for dollar moves since the lockout. Some, but not nearly as many as there used to be.


He did a great job earlier in his career with the Sabres but his trades of the past few years have been garbage. Plus it's the same old excuses. I want him gone in the worst way. He did have a great draft with Myers, Ennis and Adam all in the same year, plus Kassian and Foligno looking promising I will give him that much.


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BlueandYellow wrote:
Nobody wants to trade with our current squad. NOBODY. NOBODY.

This is now my catch phrase.


come on thats not true... they may not be players you'd want to get rid of, BUT i am sure you could find a trade partner...lol

now trade partners for the players we would want to trade... yes, you are probably correct... lol

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My issue with Darcy is him telling us about the market and the market wasn't there on trades. He has been saying the same stupid things for years.


He's not totally wrong. There have been very few trades that weren't dollar for dollar moves since the lockout. Some, but not nearly as many as there used to be.


He did a great job earlier in his career with the Sabres but his trades of the past few years have been garbage. Plus it's the same old excuses. I want him gone in the worst way. He did have a great draft with Myers, Ennis and Adam all in the same year, plus Kassian and Foligno looking promising I will give him that much.


Or maybe we give him another chance because we don't know if it's him.

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SabresBillsFan wrote:
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My issue with Darcy is him telling us about the market and the market wasn't there on trades. He has been saying the same stupid things for years.


He's not totally wrong. There have been very few trades that weren't dollar for dollar moves since the lockout. Some, but not nearly as many as there used to be.


He did a great job earlier in his career with the Sabres but his trades of the past few years have been garbage. Plus it's the same old excuses. I want him gone in the worst way. He did have a great draft with Myers, Ennis and Adam all in the same year, plus Kassian and Foligno looking promising I will give him that much.



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BlueandYellow wrote:
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My issue with Darcy is him telling us about the market and the market wasn't there on trades. He has been saying the same stupid things for years.


He's not totally wrong. There have been very few trades that weren't dollar for dollar moves since the lockout. Some, but not nearly as many as there used to be.


He did a great job earlier in his career with the Sabres but his trades of the past few years have been garbage. Plus it's the same old excuses. I want him gone in the worst way. He did have a great draft with Myers, Ennis and Adam all in the same year, plus Kassian and Foligno looking promising I will give him that much.


Or maybe we give him another chance because we don't know if it's him.


thats been my catch phrase...lol.... you've given him over 1000 games... whats 100 more...

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He did a great job earlier in his career with the Sabres but his trades of the past few years have been garbage. Plus it's the same old excuses. I want him gone in the worst way. He did have a great draft with Myers, Ennis and Adam all in the same year, plus Kassian and Foligno looking promising I will give him that much.


Earlier in his career : No salary cap.
After the lockout : Salary cap.

It was easier to make moves pre-cap. You could move a player like Pomminville making too much to a team like the Rangers because they could eat his contract if it didn't work out. Now, you have to agree on players, but the salaries have to be almost identical, or the deal won't work because of the cap.


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gr8daygo wrote:
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My issue with Darcy is him telling us about the market and the market wasn't there on trades. He has been saying the same stupid things for years.


He's not totally wrong. There have been very few trades that weren't dollar for dollar moves since the lockout. Some, but not nearly as many as there used to be.


He did a great job earlier in his career with the Sabres but his trades of the past few years have been garbage. Plus it's the same old excuses. I want him gone in the worst way. He did have a great draft with Myers, Ennis and Adam all in the same year, plus Kassian and Foligno looking promising I will give him that much.


Or maybe we give him another chance because we don't know if it's him.


thats been my catch phrase...lol.... you've given him over 1000 games... whats 100 more...


Because he's had plenty of time to build a winner and nothing!


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Because he's had plenty of time to build a winner and nothing!


Nope, he never has done anything.

He never drafted Ryan Miller. He never drafted Tyler Myers. He never traded for Danny Briere. Never traded for Chris Drury. Never put together back to back conference finalists.

He may not be the greatest GM in the world, but he's certainly done more than 'nothing'.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
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My issue with Darcy is him telling us about the market and the market wasn't there on trades. He has been saying the same stupid things for years.


He's not totally wrong. There have been very few trades that weren't dollar for dollar moves since the lockout. Some, but not nearly as many as there used to be.


He did a great job earlier in his career with the Sabres but his trades of the past few years have been garbage. Plus it's the same old excuses. I want him gone in the worst way. He did have a great draft with Myers, Ennis and Adam all in the same year, plus Kassian and Foligno looking promising I will give him that much.


Or maybe we give him another chance because we don't know if it's him.


thats been my catch phrase...lol.... you've given him over 1000 games... whats 100 more...


Because he's had plenty of time to build a winner and nothing!


nothing? he's built some pretty damn good teams... so i wouldn't say nothing... and i believe Quinn has been neutering him... so give the guy this off season and next season to see if he can be the GM he once was... you need to isolate the issues between him and quinn to know what you have..... its still my opinion that Darcy is still one of the top GMs in the league if given the opportunity... Quinn has NOT given him that chance...

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