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Rutledge222
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nothing? he's built some pretty damn good teams... so i wouldn't say nothing... and i believe Quinn has been neutering him... so give the guy this off season and next season to see if he can be the GM he once was... you need to isolate the issues between him and quinn to know what you have..... its still my opinion that Darcy is still one of the top GMs in the league if given the opportunity... Quinn has NOT given him that chance...



Make no mistake, Darcy got lucky with 05-06 when the rules of the game changed. We got lucky with how our team was. If we the rules were the same way they were 10 years ago, then the sabres in 05-07 wouldnt have been anything. Sorry to say it. Cut Darcy loose at the end of the season.

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Since the lockout, the biggest trade was the Kovalchuk trade and look at how that has turned out so far this year. I'm not saying these trades aren't out there, basically not many superstars get moved during the trade deadline anyways. Most of these "Superstars" have been signed in FA. I know Heatley was traded also before last year also. But the trades just aren't what they used to be.

I would dare you to find a trade that was that much bigger then either Kovalchuk or Heatley and the player staying on the same team after he was traded.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Rutledge222 wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:

nothing? he's built some pretty damn good teams... so i wouldn't say nothing... and i believe Quinn has been neutering him... so give the guy this off season and next season to see if he can be the GM he once was... you need to isolate the issues between him and quinn to know what you have..... its still my opinion that Darcy is still one of the top GMs in the league if given the opportunity... Quinn has NOT given him that chance...



Make no mistake, Darcy got lucky with 05-06 when the rules of the game changed. We got lucky with how our team was. If we the rules were the same way they were 10 years ago, then the sabres in 05-07 wouldnt have been anything. Sorry to say it. Cut Darcy loose at the end of the season.



I agree but i will give Darcy some credit when credit is due. The Trade for Briere and Dumont were great trades. Also bringing in Drury was a good one to. I don't like Darcy at all but I will admit he had a few good trades.


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I still think the whole Quinn thing is true. Get him out and we'll see a much more aggressive GM.

I would hate to let Lindy go when Pegula takes ownership and he should see that he is still a great coach. But if he brings in a better coach I won't mind, but who out there is really that much better then Lindy?

It's not a head coach we need, we need better assistants.

And Darcy, I'm sure he could build a great team with a full salary cap budget and consistently be a playoff team. Consistently make the playoffs you have a much better chance of winning a cup. He's had some steal of deals with some of our players, and obviously some stupid deals, but what GM hasn't made a stupid deal?

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Rutledge222
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SabresBillsFan wrote:
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nothing? he's built some pretty damn good teams... so i wouldn't say nothing... and i believe Quinn has been neutering him... so give the guy this off season and next season to see if he can be the GM he once was... you need to isolate the issues between him and quinn to know what you have..... its still my opinion that Darcy is still one of the top GMs in the league if given the opportunity... Quinn has NOT given him that chance...



Make no mistake, Darcy got lucky with 05-06 when the rules of the game changed. We got lucky with how our team was. If we the rules were the same way they were 10 years ago, then the sabres in 05-07 wouldnt have been anything. Sorry to say it. Cut Darcy loose at the end of the season.



I agree but i will give Darcy some credit when credit is due. The Trade for Briere and Dumont were great trades. Also bringing in Drury was a good one to. I don't like Darcy at all but I will admit he had a few good trades.



They turned out to be great trades. Briere was a NOBODY when we traded for him... He was nothing on the coyotes team. You cant tell me that darcy KNEW that he was going to pan out like he did.

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Rutledge222 wrote:
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gr8daygo wrote:

nothing? he's built some pretty damn good teams... so i wouldn't say nothing... and i believe Quinn has been neutering him... so give the guy this off season and next season to see if he can be the GM he once was... you need to isolate the issues between him and quinn to know what you have..... its still my opinion that Darcy is still one of the top GMs in the league if given the opportunity... Quinn has NOT given him that chance...



Make no mistake, Darcy got lucky with 05-06 when the rules of the game changed. We got lucky with how our team was. If we the rules were the same way they were 10 years ago, then the sabres in 05-07 wouldnt have been anything. Sorry to say it. Cut Darcy loose at the end of the season.



I agree but i will give Darcy some credit when credit is due. The Trade for Briere and Dumont were great trades. Also bringing in Drury was a good one to. I don't like Darcy at all but I will admit he had a few good trades.



They turned out to be great trades. Briere was a NOBODY when we traded for him... He was nothing on the coyotes team. You cant tell me that darcy KNEW that he was going to pan out like he did.


Briere was coming off a 32 goal season when the Sabres traded for him.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Rutledge222 wrote:
SabresBillsFan wrote:
Rutledge222 wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:

nothing? he's built some pretty damn good teams... so i wouldn't say nothing... and i believe Quinn has been neutering him... so give the guy this off season and next season to see if he can be the GM he once was... you need to isolate the issues between him and quinn to know what you have..... its still my opinion that Darcy is still one of the top GMs in the league if given the opportunity... Quinn has NOT given him that chance...



Make no mistake, Darcy got lucky with 05-06 when the rules of the game changed. We got lucky with how our team was. If we the rules were the same way they were 10 years ago, then the sabres in 05-07 wouldnt have been anything. Sorry to say it. Cut Darcy loose at the end of the season.



I agree but i will give Darcy some credit when credit is due. The Trade for Briere and Dumont were great trades. Also bringing in Drury was a good one to. I don't like Darcy at all but I will admit he had a few good trades.



They turned out to be great trades. Briere was a NOBODY when we traded for him... He was nothing on the coyotes team. You cant tell me that darcy KNEW that he was going to pan out like he did.


Briere was coming off a 32 goal season when the Sabres traded for him.


Disregard my last statement :?

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Yea, Briere ad 60 points the year before the trade, and 58 the year of the trade.

It was only one decent season though before the trade was made.

And honestly, Briere was pure luck. He broke out because of the rule changes. I mean he's good, but put him back in pre-lockout now. He'd have more trouble than success I would bet. He's doing great this year, for now.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Yea, Briere ad 60 points the year before the trade, and 58 the year of the trade.

It was only one decent season though before the trade was made.

And honestly, Briere was pure luck. He broke out because of the rule changes. I mean he's good, but put him back in pre-lockout now. He'd have more trouble than success I would bet. He's doing great this year, for now.


He's had many great years with the Flyers since he left us, including some pretty impressive playoff performances as well.

Briere, though a little older, has still performed quite well for himself in today's game, with less ice time than he got here in Buffalo.

He's a good player. So is Drury. Look who we have to replace them. Derek Roy, and Tim Connolly.

Roy was pretty darn good, but not quite Briere. Tim Connolly is no Chris Drury.

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I disagree with your assessment on Briere.

07-08, yes it was a good year from him. I injuries limited him in 08-09 though. But 53 points in 75 games in 09-10 is not that good of a year for him. He made up for it with his playoff performance that year, but he's not worth his pricetag.

I wouldn't say many a great years with Philly. Great would be 90 point seasons to me.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Bye Quinn, you JackWagon! Things are looking up. I don't see things changing this season. The way things are going they may get a top 10 pick. Couple that with some people being gone next year, hopefully he will let Darcy do his job or get someone to replace Darcy and let him do his job. Though honestly I'd give Darcy a chance now. Because I seriously think he was held back by Quinn.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
I disagree with your assessment on Briere.

07-08, yes it was a good year from him. I injuries limited him in 08-09 though. But 53 points in 75 games in 09-10 is not that good of a year for him. He made up for it with his playoff performance that year, but he's not worth his pricetag.

I wouldn't say many a great years with Philly. Great would be 90 point seasons to me.


23 playoff games, 30 points last season.

Additionally, 53 points in 75 games is a solid season when you consider he's not an ice time leader like he was in Buffalo.

Maybe they aren't great numbers, but they're pretty damn good and they're consistent.

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Maybe someone with more than I have should start a Spring Possibilities thread. Put together a list a math stuff. Take all the UFA's and what not and see how much cap space we'll have if we sign none of them, then how much if we sign who we all (generally) think should stay.

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Maybe someone with more than I have should start a Spring Possibilities thread. Put together a list a math stuff. Take all the UFA's and what not and see how much cap space we'll have if we sign none of them, then how much if we sign who we all (generally) think should stay.



I like that idea... im not good enough to pull it off... but i do like that idea...

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gr8daygo wrote:
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Maybe someone with more than I have should start a Spring Possibilities thread. Put together a list a math stuff. Take all the UFA's and what not and see how much cap space we'll have if we sign none of them, then how much if we sign who we all (generally) think should stay.



I like that idea... im not good enough to pull it off... but i do like that idea...

Talk to CV, maybe he'd be interested in starting such a thread. Keeping it to speculation only. No claiming anyone knows exactly what's going to happen will help it out ;)

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
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Yea, Briere ad 60 points the year before the trade, and 58 the year of the trade.

It was only one decent season though before the trade was made.

And honestly, Briere was pure luck. He broke out because of the rule changes. I mean he's good, but put him back in pre-lockout now. He'd have more trouble than success I would bet. He's doing great this year, for now.


He's had many great years with the Flyers since he left us, including some pretty impressive playoff performances as well.

Briere, though a little older, has still performed quite well for himself in today's game, with less ice time than he got here in Buffalo.

He's a good player. So is Drury. Look who we have to replace them. Derek Roy, and Tim Connolly.

Roy was pretty darn good, but not quite Briere. Tim Connolly is no Chris Drury.


briere has the most points in the playoffs since the lockout. anyone wanna tell us again how we dont need him?

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From what I found on CapGeek.com, at the end of the season if we don't sign the guys we all assume won't be:

Connolly: 4,500,000
Grier: 1,500,000
Rivet: 3,500,000
Lalime: 650,000
existing cap space: 4,670,171
Gives us 14,820,171

that's if we kept every RFA (Stafford, Gerbe, Sekera, Butler, Webber)and the other UFA's: Niedermayer, McCormick and Montador. I think we can safely say that Monty at least, if not both Nieds and McCormick are coming back. We have a heck of a lot of cap space and with a GM who is under orders to WIN we might see a big shift in who's wearing the Blue and Gold.

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briere has the most points in the playoffs since the lockout. anyone wanna tell us again how we dont need him?

Because we won't be in the playoffs. :lol: :shifty:

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briere has the most points in the playoffs since the lockout. anyone wanna tell us again how we dont need him?

Because we won't be in the playoffs. :lol: :shifty:


hahaha. touche!

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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:
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Maybe someone with more than I have should start a Spring Possibilities thread. Put together a list a math stuff. Take all the UFA's and what not and see how much cap space we'll have if we sign none of them, then how much if we sign who we all (generally) think should stay.



I like that idea... im not good enough to pull it off... but i do like that idea...

Talk to CV, maybe he'd be interested in starting such a thread. Keeping it to speculation only. No claiming anyone knows exactly what's going to happen will help it out ;)


Pssh, I know exactly what will happen ;)

I wont spoil the surprise for you guys though

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