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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:48 pm 
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
its also perfectly reasonable to think, hey, maybe the light went on.

:hand: :lol: Not buying it for a second. That whole fool me once kind of thing. He just recently started scoring goals again....so why is he now some kind of come back/miracle kid? I'm going to give it till the end of the season, then we'll see if this is a fluke or not. Even then though I'm not buying into Stafford until I see him play his ass off on a regular basis in a non-contract year.

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another player that comes to mind that took a while to bloom: todd bertuzzi.

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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
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staffs for real. he has the talent, and this year he has the drive thats never accompanied it. contract years are cute, and im sure he wants his money, but theres more to it. hes legit.

some minor corrections though. he was called up in 06-07 and fulltime in 07-08.



Lol...dammit, I could have sworn he came up for the playoffs in 05-06, but you're right, that was 06-07.

Dammit, sky got me for not doing research in the luke adam thread, I really need to start looking this stuff up before posting, is there a single site with all this info you guys prefer for quick refence of stats and stuff?


its not that i do research, im just rain man with dates. example given, i saw someone write down a date in a stall that was from 2003, and i saw the date, and i immediately recalled what i did that day. this was from this past summer.

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Haha Yankee, it's all good to not do research sometimes.

Also I think it's because he's just faster this year with him losing that extra weight, that he now has the speed to really get into the zone quicker and in even better position.

He has 22 points in 26 games this year, you either have that kind of talent or you don't. It's not a fluke he can do this. It's like Vanek, he has all the talent in the world to score 40 every year, some years it's harder than others.

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Got to hang on to him. I haven't been the highest Stafford supporter, but he seems to be the best goal scorer on the team, and he does have a physical side.

My favorite part is that the goals that he has scored have not been tap ins set up by other players. He has created plays.

Do NOT give him over 4.5 mil at the end of the season, though. I have a feeling we'd regret it.
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Plenty of people predicted Stafford would have a good year, this being his contract year and all.

I have to admit, I really liked him when he came up in 05-06, and through most of 06-07...but he's seemed to mostly disappear since then (from what I remember, i'm not saying he sucks, or I hate him, but we did call him hellen keller for a long time...)

Do you guys think his good performance is a matter of his natural maturation and coming into his potential? Or is it largely because he's in a contract year?

Also, if his play continues like it has, what sort of money and time do you think he'll get signed for?

And luke adam sucks.
(HA! I keed, I keed.)



Congratulations on jinxing Drew Stafford you big fat jerk butt! :evil:

You NEEEEVVVVEERRRR make a thread about a player who is this hot! :naughty:


GAH! :doh:

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Do NOT give him over 4.5 mil at the end of the season, though. I have a feeling we'd regret it.


He's restricted. The Sabres won't offer him $4.5m. If another team offers him that much on an offer sheet, take the picks and move on.
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I really don't know what to answer. I'd love to think Drew broke out, but we have a history of guys playing "contract years" here. Well, if he does regress, and gets paid, we'll know something about this organization for a fact, because he's doing this kinda banged-up even.
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Stafford is having a good year. Being a restricted free agent at season's end, his play can be comparable to others who had a good year before their contract's were up.

Stafford's 2009-2010 season is one remembered for horrid play. He was inconsistent. Failing to "dig in," scoring goals, resulted in several healthy scratches. This practice continued into the current season before his shoulder injury.

Stafford's play after his shoulder injury has been above average, if not excellent. He is currently on a personal four-game point streak (4 goals, 3 assists, 7 points).

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Yankee - this ain't directed at you, but I don't buy this "contract year" garbage we keep hearing about. The most overhyped BS on the boards. There's a million things on and off the ice that affect a guy's performance, most of which we have no clue about, and to believe that just because a guy is in the last year of his contract he's kicking ass, with disregard for every other variable, is nuts.

A much better explanation would be that Staff is naturally maturing as a player, getting good coaching, and feeling well physically.
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Contract year bumps are not 'overhyped BS'. It's VERY common for players in a contract year to put up better numbers than they usually do. It's not a theory, it's been shown to happen for years.
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He came to camp in the best shape of his career, and he's had some favorable results.

I think you have to sign Stafford. The game is changing once again to favor the power forwards, and Drew is the only one on this team capable of effectively playing on the top 2 lines.

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I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Stafford is restricted. He'll be staying here barring an absurd offer sheet or a bad arbitration award.
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Squanto wrote:
I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Stafford is restricted. He'll be staying here barring an absurd offer sheet or a bad arbitration award.


You are repeating yourself. For no reason. I understand that he's restricted.

I'm saying I don't care if a 4 million per offer sheet comes in. Match it and move on.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Squanto wrote:
I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Stafford is restricted. He'll be staying here barring an absurd offer sheet or a bad arbitration award.


You are repeating yourself. For no reason. I understand that he's restricted.

I'm saying I don't care if a 4 million per offer sheet comes in. Match it and move on.


You'd match a 4 million offer sheet? Seems a bit much for a guy whose attitude is still questionable. Apparently he improved his game because he worked harder in the summer. He could have done the same work every summer but he didn't.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
I'm saying I don't care if a 4 million per offer sheet comes in. Match it and move on.


No way Stafford is offered $4M. If by some miraculous circumstance he is, that's 3 picks. Let him walk, take the picks, and move on.

$4M for a player who is just over a career .5 PPG , any only over .5 because of this season, is absurd.
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Squanto wrote:
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I'm saying I don't care if a 4 million per offer sheet comes in. Match it and move on.


No way Stafford is offered $4M. If by some miraculous circumstance he is, that's 3 picks. Let him walk, take the picks, and move on.

$4M for a player who is just over a career .5 PPG , any only over .5 because of this season, is absurd.


And if you don't sign him, you're left with a team that has just one talented power forward, in a league that is now dominated by power forwards.

He's only 25 years old.

Call it absurd if you'd like, but if someone's willing to offer that to him, I'm willing to match it. 4 million is only 7% of your total cap hit, anyway.

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So you're willing to pay $4M to Stafford, who puts up crappier numbers than Pominville at $5.3M ?

That makes zero sense at all.
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So you're willing to pay $4M to Stafford, who puts up crappier numbers than Pominville at $5.3M ?

That makes zero sense at all.


I'm willing to invest in a player who's younger than Pominville and better built for the way the game is played today.

I'm willing to retain one of our only two wingers who are built that way.

Stafford's got more points and goals than Pominville despite playing 6 fewer games. He's also a +1 to Pominville's -6.

If you let Stafford walk away from this team, who are you going to rely on to score goals? Vanek would be our only veteran power forward with a scoring touch at that point.

Let Drew walk, and this team gets real shitty pretty quick.

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When is the last time we relied on Drew to score the bulk of our goals? He just recently got hot. He's been a damn ghost for a loooong time. Streaky and just plain frustrating. Can we give this guy more than a month before we start praising him like he's a star? I'm not saying he isn't legit....I'm saying that he is streaky, and this may or may not be just one more streak. Add that he's in a contract year and you get a big if. Just saying.

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