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sabretoothpick
PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:32 pm 
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Aside from all speculation. I think it would be fun to see a midget top 6 with Drury, Briere, Roy, Ennis, Gerbe. One missing...hmmm...sign Gionta.

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if that was our top 6, I'd be cheering for the Avalanche at this point, lol, we'd be behind the Islanders in the standings.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:04 pm 
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so.. even if we bring those guys back, chances are the free agent landscape/trade scenarios we have already experienced changes dramatically as well. probably no grier, leopold, ect. the butterfly effect of said signings and hypothetical roster changes is so different, it pretty much makes this obsolete.

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Squanto wrote:
No offense, but I don't even see why this is worthy of discussion.

There's no way to know that the Sabres would have taken those specific players. There's too many variables involved to say that Edmonton would have performed the same way with Vanek and had the exact same draft slots that would have come to Buffalo, let alone just assume that Buffalo would have drafted the same players with those picks.

Things played out the way they did. Why waste energy trying to create fantasy history and speculate what might have happened?

Took the words right outta my mouth.

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I am sick of these - if we would signed briere and drury- threads. fuckin spam , where's a mod to close/delete this shit.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:01 pm 
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alex does not post spam. alex is easily one of the better posters here and certainly one of the most intelligent. while i dont agree with this particular thread, mainly because the road traveled would be altered significantly, its not a spam thread.

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Squanto
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Yhoshi wrote:
I am sick of these - if we would signed briere and drury- threads. fuckin spam , where's a mod to close/delete this shit.


If you've got a problem with a post or thread, use the report button. Don't just spout off about it.

That being said, there is no problem with the thread. I may personally disagree with the premise and thought experiment, but the thread violates no site rules. No reason to close it.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:27 pm 
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Who knows what would have happened. I think we would have been better in the long run, those two or three years after, but filling in some of those names doesn't make us much better right now then I would hope for.

Briere would still be a menace we know that, but Drury might be no better then what he is in the Big Apple.

Also We would not have Connolly anymore as Roy would have been picked over him in a heartbeat I would say.

We'd be pretty strong down the Center with Briere, Roy, Drury and Goose, but our wings wouldn;t be all that great.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:27 pm 
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Jesus Christ. They ain't coming back. Playing the what if game is old. I prefer to look to the future than dwell in the world of fantasy. Do we roll twenty sided dice to see how many points they would have scored had they stayed in Buffalo as well?

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all conjecture. who's to say they wouldn't have done what they did here continually?


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all conjecture. who's to say they wouldn't have done what they did here continually?

That is another thing, would Drury still have been a 30 goal scorer here and Briere is still Briere basically?

It's old, and I think our team would be in about the same position now as it is had we signed both of those guys.

We'd still be too small and easily pushed around, at least we have decent enough size to not be labeled as a midget team, aside from Ennis, Gerbe, and Roy, everyone else is over 6 foot.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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sabresEH
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I don't think anyone's speculated to that extent before. Typically it's just been commentary on how Darcy Regier sucks.

If you follow Nick Mendola (which you probably don't), he was talking about this very topic on Friday's show so, making the point that the Sabres would be worse off with B/D still around so the point is relevant and current.

I'm assuming that if we had Svensson, we probably wouldn't have drafted Myers. since that creates a logjam on defense.

I can't believe no one has pointed this out yet. MPS is a forward not a defenceman.

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"If We'd Signed Briere and Drury"...there would be threads right now asking "If We Hadn't Signed Briere and Drury".

Fans speculate. It doesn't change anything, but it's what we do.


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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Not another thread bemoaning their loss, just kind of speculating about the impact. Thinking out loud I guess.

I'm wondering if we would have been better in the long run had we signed those two guys. They have a combined $13.5M cap hit and have been underwhelming since leaving.

We would likely have let Vanek walk to Edmonton then, and probably wouldn't have kept Pominville either, but we would have gotten those four number one picks from Edmonton which were Gagner, Eberle, Svensson, and Hall.

So our lineup would include Briere, Drury, Hecht, Gagner, Eberle, Hall, Stafford, Gaustad, Kaleta, Ennis, Grier, Niedermayer, McCormick, Gerbe, Myers, Sekera, Svensson, Butler, Rivet, Leopold, Montador, Weber, Morrisonn.

So basically we'd have a cotillion of 20 goal scorers and a bolstered defense.


We let a guy go who just scored 95 points for us his last year on the team. That guy could have been had for $5M a year before he scored those 95 points.

The GM pulled him out of the desert b/c he thought something of him, but not enough apparently to pay him. This GM them goes an overpays a right winger, but won't even think of paying 1 cent over what he wants for a center?

Regier should have resigned either Briere or Drury....Briere was the better choice IMO. Not resigning either....should have been an immediate firing offense. But given out "business man" owner...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:13 pm 
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in fairness, it appeared the sabres could only afford one, and drury was that guy. and it was somewhat assumed he wanted to come back. briere wanted to stay. but when he was simply an afterthought... no wonder he left.

and i hold no grudges against any of them.

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I hate this saying we overpaid Pominville bullshit. Look at the TWO years leading up to that contract and tell me he didn't deserve what he got. I'm going to go ahead and say this, 61 goals and 148 points in 164 games those previous two years, or for his entry level contract, he had 78 goals and 178 points in 221 games. Did he not earn his contract? 80 points the year before he signed that deal and that was after Briere left him.

Don't tell me he was overpaid, you pay for production, if you don't get that production after you sign that deal, you're not living up to that contract.

Someone who was overpaid is Ryan Malone, 4 million for a 40 point guy. That is overpayment.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Who knows who we could've drafted had we let Vanek go? All I say is that it would have been cool to have that extra 1st round pick for 4 years to play with.

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Squanto
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OldTimeHockey wrote:
Regier should have resigned either Briere or Drury....Briere was the better choice IMO. Not resigning either....should have been an immediate firing offense. But given out "business man" owner...


Darcy had Drury signed. It was LQ/BTG that wouldn't sign off on the deal.


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Squanto wrote:
OldTimeHockey wrote:
Regier should have resigned either Briere or Drury....Briere was the better choice IMO. Not resigning either....should have been an immediate firing offense. But given out "business man" owner...


Darcy had Drury signed. It was LQ/BTG that wouldn't sign off on the deal.



And thank God for that, anybody who still thinks signing Drury for 7 million a season was a good idea is out of their mind.

Now Brierre on the other hand, getting him there with the deal of the century and then watching him walk out the door over a few bucks, that's a hard pill to swallow for a GM.

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Wow, seriously can we all get over these two guys???

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