Crosby does not own in any of those stats. He may have better defensive stats then Vanek, but look at the real defensive forwards, Bobby Ryan has triple the hits Crosby does, double the takeaways, and has 22 goals.

Lucic has 4 times as many hits, Ovechkin has 5 times the hits Crosby has.

Blocked shots, Kesler has 49, double the amount Crosby has, St. Louis has double also and same with Mike Richards.

For a forward, Crosby doesn't come anywhere near close to being the guy you would trust on the ice with a one goal lead in the final two minutes.

Because hits don't mean shit really, and blocked shots are more important than hits. Also he has 15 takeaways and 29 giveaways. Not really someone who is all that good defensively. Joe Thorton has 68 and Toews has 61.

Vanek has 22 takeaways and 33 giveaways.

Defensive players have more takeaways.

Would you argue Datsyuk is a great defensive player? No you wouldn't. 44 hits, 11 blocked shots, but 47 takeaways to 20 giveaways.

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

I guess my wording was backwards on the Datsyuk part.

Would you argue he was a bad defensive forward is what I mostly meant, and no you wouldn't argue that.

How does everyone think Vanek did last night with 16 minutes of ice time? He did not seem to do much again.

He's playing injured. Lindy cut his icetime down a bit.

Vanek had two assists against the Senators. Good for him!

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

How does everyone think Vanek did last night with 16 minutes of ice time? He did not seem to do much again.

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

This is my final comment.

If you think Vanek is as good as Crosby and Ovechkin offensively, Wake up. He's not.

Blasphemy! I shall continue to see Vanek as the greatest thing to happen to the world since frozen water through Blue & Gold colored homer glasses, and no one can make me see different!

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

If Vanek got the same amount of icetime as Crosby and Ovechkin, he'd be a 50 goal scorer.

And probably would have 100 points a year too.

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.