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Seanothan27
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:49 pm 
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I really do want to see what Lindy and Darcy can do with Pegula as owner. Give 'em a couple of years, I say...

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
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I want to see James Patrick gone. He's probably the reason why we have such a sissy defense.


Who do you have in mind to replace him? I'm just curious as I think all our special teams coaches could be restaffed.


Pat Lafontaine. What's he doing nowadays?

We need someone a little more offensive minded. Ruff was a defenseman. Patrick was a defenseman. McCutcheon was a forward, but not a very good one.


Not debating your point, just mentioning that Ruff did see time as a forward and is officially listed as a left wing on NHL.com.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8451053


Interesting. Didn't he play D?

Hockeydb.com lists him as a defenseman.

http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=4701

Either way, he certainly wasn't a creative forward during his time in the NHL.

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meh, ruff scored at a pretty good clip for a few seasons.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
meh, ruff scored at a pretty good clip for a few seasons.


He did alright. Don't forget how much more scoring there was back then.

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that adding a more creative, offensive minded assistant coach could help bolster our power play.

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I still say give Darcy a chance with the new ownership. He almost has to do something worthwhile. He knows that the new owner will not be as patient. TP is going to want a winner.

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Did anyone read the link that was posted? By Patrick I meant Craig Patrick.
As for Darcy. We've heard he had his hands tied on some issues and he didn't on others. What exactly was going on with management we'll never know but what I do know is Darcy is very highly regarded in NHL circles. I've said this before, only 3 GMs got invited to the world hockey summit in August, Burke, Lou Lamiorello, and Darcy. The NHL wants his opinion because he's a smart man and he knows what he's doing. Give him one more year with the new owners and than we'll see how many of us want him gone.


Has any two teams in the same market been so dysfunctional in such similar ways at the same time?

I mean the same reasons given for Darcy's shortcomings and inexplicable long tenure can and have been used for Tom Modrak?

I hold out hope that under new ownership that Darcy can be a stellar GM as he has made some really good moves. It could be very telling rather quickly if this team goes in a different direction at the deadline, even though Pegula suggestions will only be that...suggestions.

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OldTimeHockey wrote:
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Did anyone read the link that was posted? By Patrick I meant Craig Patrick.
As for Darcy. We've heard he had his hands tied on some issues and he didn't on others. What exactly was going on with management we'll never know but what I do know is Darcy is very highly regarded in NHL circles. I've said this before, only 3 GMs got invited to the world hockey summit in August, Burke, Lou Lamiorello, and Darcy. The NHL wants his opinion because he's a smart man and he knows what he's doing. Give him one more year with the new owners and than we'll see how many of us want him gone.


Has any two teams in the same market been so dysfunctional in such similar ways at the same time?

I mean the same reasons given for Darcy's shortcomings and inexplicable long tenure can and have been used for Tom Modrak?

I hold out hope that under new ownership that Darcy can be a stellar GM as he has made some really good moves. It could be very telling rather quickly if this team goes in a different direction at the deadline, even though Pegula suggestions will only be that...suggestions.


comparing a scout and a GM... pretty different roles 'eh.... and if the GMs and Coaches would have listened to Modrak the Bills would look awfully different ... I don't blame Tom for the ineptness of the GMs and Coaches and have a little faith in Buddy and Chan... but we wont know that for another year or two...

As for the success of the two teams... again no comparison... in the past decade you have seen the best record in the NHL... how many trips to the ECF... a Cup run and countless trips to the play-offs with stability at the GM and Coaching spots... the longest tenured coach in the league with well over 1000 games.... a GM with over 1000 games and a GM/Coach combo that is unheard of in todays day and age.... and they have held those spots through bankruptcy a lock out and 3 owner changes?....Reigis...NHL....BTG...T-Pegs.... Compared to the Bills who have been through countless GMs and coaches and havent sniffed the play-offs in over a decade.... the common thread that has killed the Bills success is Ralph and Littmen....

Comparing the Bills and Sabres is like comparing apples and toothpaste....

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OldTimeHockey wrote:
I mean the same reasons given for Darcy's shortcomings and inexplicable long tenure can and have been used for Tom Modrak?


If you want to talk about the Bills, go to the Bills board.

The Sabres and the Bills are different teams in different leagues in different sports with different owners and different circumstances. Your constant comparisons of executives between the two are meaningless.


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I mean the same reasons given for Darcy's shortcomings and inexplicable long tenure can and have been used for Tom Modrak?


If you want to talk about the Bills, go to the Bills board.

The Sabres and the Bills are different teams in different leagues in different sports with different owners and different circumstances. Your constant comparisons of executives between the two are meaningless.


So he can't use another league as an example? I think that's pretty short-sighted.

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I see nothing wrong with drawing comparisons between the two. It's still about the Sabres. I often compare the sabres to piles of poo in my posts but have never been directed to restrict my posts to the Feces Board.

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Squanto wrote:
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I mean the same reasons given for Darcy's shortcomings and inexplicable long tenure can and have been used for Tom Modrak?


If you want to talk about the Bills, go to the Bills board.

The Sabres and the Bills are different teams in different leagues in different sports with different owners and different circumstances. Your constant comparisons of executives between the two are meaningless.


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They are meaningless? Or you don't see meaning in them? Because those are two entirely different things.

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Squanto
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So he can't use another league as an example? I think that's pretty short-sighted.


An example of what?

The reason that Modrak are still with the Bills are completely different than the reasons Regier is still with the Sabres. There is no relationship between the two.


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Squanto wrote:
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So he can't use another league as an example? I think that's pretty short-sighted.


An example of what?

The reason that Modrak are still with the Bills are completely different than the reasons Regier is still with the Sabres. There is no relationship between the two.


Yes, I understand that, but you make it seem that if anybody even tries to mention the Bills, that automatically means they should take their comments elsewhere, even if you think it is meaningless to discussion.

Just because their two separate teams, to separate leagues, etc., it doesn't mean somebody can't try to at least make a comparison, even if it doesn't quite match up to your standards.

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Squanto
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Jesus christ....

He's been making repeated false comparisons between the Sabres and the Bills for about 3 days. I'm entitled to call those out if I feel like it, just like anyone else is.


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Sorry. My asshole tightens up when it comes to rights to talking about things if you think it's necesarry. :)

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Fuck this baby whiny bullshit. Who cares? I fucking don't. If what I'm saying gets me banned for a bit then whatever but jesus fucking christ. People have been snapping and seeing who can piss further every chance they get. grow the fuck up.

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Who said anything about banning? I just think that it's dumb to make these comparisons, that's all. Just because my name is yellow doesn't mean someone should be worried about getting punted.

That shit is done via PM, and by agreement from multiple moderators.

It's a disagreement of opinion, that's it.


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I just meant if that bitching I just did warranted banning so be it, I still took the plunge. Not about anything before.

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I'm glad Regier can make decisions without Quinn once again.

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I'm glad Regier can make decisions without Quinn once again.


Me too. Very excited about this deadline.

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