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Nuthatch
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:24 pm 
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I figure that in years past, Regier was playing to the owners' desires. A break-even was wanted, so that's what he worked for. New owner, new desires. Regier should be savvy enough to change with the times.


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people forget the GM darcy was before the BTG era. darcy was one shrewd GM. he raped several GMs, without protection.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
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I mean the same reasons given for Darcy's shortcomings and inexplicable long tenure can and have been used for Tom Modrak?


If you want to talk about the Bills, go to the Bills board.

The Sabres and the Bills are different teams in different leagues in different sports with different owners and different circumstances. Your constant comparisons of executives between the two are meaningless.


So he can't use another league as an example? I think that's pretty short-sighted.


Its a perfectly valid point, but since he's the Lord of the Mannor and in charge of the cool kids its his show. I find it funny that he says that I constantly bring this up...I don't.

But like every other time he slags me, its not about what its about....passive aggressive is his middle name.

The murkiness of the job descriptions of the front offices in both teams is valid point, but you can't slag the Sabres...only Squanto can and in ways he only allows.

And for the other poster...Modrak isn't just a scout. I mean where have you been? That's the point of the whole thread, the job descriptions and therefore the blame never gets placed for the individuals in charge ...but they all take the credit for anything good that transpires.

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gr8daygo wrote:
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Did anyone read the link that was posted? By Patrick I meant Craig Patrick.
As for Darcy. We've heard he had his hands tied on some issues and he didn't on others. What exactly was going on with management we'll never know but what I do know is Darcy is very highly regarded in NHL circles. I've said this before, only 3 GMs got invited to the world hockey summit in August, Burke, Lou Lamiorello, and Darcy. The NHL wants his opinion because he's a smart man and he knows what he's doing. Give him one more year with the new owners and than we'll see how many of us want him gone.


Has any two teams in the same market been so dysfunctional in such similar ways at the same time?

I mean the same reasons given for Darcy's shortcomings and inexplicable long tenure can and have been used for Tom Modrak?

I hold out hope that under new ownership that Darcy can be a stellar GM as he has made some really good moves. It could be very telling rather quickly if this team goes in a different direction at the deadline, even though Pegula suggestions will only be that...suggestions.


comparing a scout and a GM... pretty different roles 'eh.... and if the GMs and Coaches would have listened to Modrak the Bills would look awfully different ... I don't blame Tom for the ineptness of the GMs and Coaches and have a little faith in Buddy and Chan... but we wont know that for another year or two...

As for the success of the two teams... again no comparison... in the past decade you have seen the best record in the NHL... how many trips to the ECF... a Cup run and countless trips to the play-offs with stability at the GM and Coaching spots... the longest tenured coach in the league with well over 1000 games.... a GM with over 1000 games and a GM/Coach combo that is unheard of in todays day and age.... and they have held those spots through bankruptcy a lock out and 3 owner changes?....Reigis...NHL....BTG...T-Pegs.... Compared to the Bills who have been through countless GMs and coaches and havent sniffed the play-offs in over a decade.... the common thread that has killed the Bills success is Ralph and Littmen....

Comparing the Bills and Sabres is like comparing apples and toothpaste....


1. Modrak isn't just a scout. Darcy isn't just a GM. Come on man where have you been. Titles and duties are murky at best with the front offices of both franchises. They have quite similar job descriptions actually. They both scout talent and both have a whole lot of sway with their owners and a say of what transpires.

2. Modrak is one of the longest tenured employees at his job and dodges bullets like the members of the Sabres front office.

3. No matter the results the people making the decisions never change, but year in and year out we expect different results. The Einstein paraphrased definition of insanity. The less than defined job responsibilities and shifting of blame is the same. Maybe with new ownership this changes, either with a new mandate from the owner or with new staff. The main point of the post.

Squanto can go pound sand....its an appropriate post.

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Squanto wrote:
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So he can't use another league as an example? I think that's pretty short-sighted.


An example of what?

The reason that Modrak are still with the Bills are completely different than the reasons Regier is still with the Sabres. There is no relationship between the two.


Well then explain yourself and your reasoning. that's something you don't do. This is a chat board, its meant to foster discussion and debate. Tell me how they are different and I bet you come around to that there are similarities.

But overall you are short sighted and the fact that you never get anyone's sarcasm just shows your limitations. You are a moderator who is rude and seems to get off on insulting posters....you aren't John Cusack and his isn't High Fidelity.

Your just a message board "Tuff Guy" ...well bravo, you're a stud, your the Master of the Universe. you're the most intelligent poster about anything Sabres and NHL.

You seem to love to harp on me...back at ya babe.

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OldTimeHockey wrote:
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So he can't use another league as an example? I think that's pretty short-sighted.


An example of what?

The reason that Modrak are still with the Bills are completely different than the reasons Regier is still with the Sabres. There is no relationship between the two.


Well then explain yourself and your reasoning. that's something you don't do. This is a chat board, its meant to foster discussion and debate. Tell me how they are different and I bet you come around to that there are similarities.

But overall you are short sighted and the fact that you never get anyone's sarcasm just shows your limitations. You seem to love to harp on me...back at ya babe.


We kind of put this to rest a little while ago, but OK.

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only Squanto can and in ways he only allows.


/mod hat off

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Fuck this shit. I'm so sick and tired of being accused of this bullshit.

I don't tell anyone what they can and can not say. If someone says something I don't agree with, I say something about it. Just like anyone else does.

It seems to be perfectly acceptable for people to fire away at my opinions, yet for some reason when I do the same, I'm trying to control opinions all of a sudden.

Fuck off.


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how about everyone shut the fuck up about it? everyone.

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There is a difference between saying that you don't agree with something and saying that someone is posting on the wrong board. One is a person's opinion, the other is a mod's opinion. If you don't agree, well say so and explain why. Join the debate. If you simply say that someone should go post on another board since they are off topic and what not, that seems to come from your mod role, not your average Joe role.

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Squanto wrote:
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only Squanto can and in ways he only allows.

I don't tell anyone what they can and can not say. If someone says something I don't agree with, I say something about it. Just like anyone else does.



I attribute that to this:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/191345/the-league-fear-boner

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K,

That'll be about enough of these shenanigans. Anyone who feels they've been violated...


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Moderator actions are not done in public. We do them via PM.

If it would make you guys happy if I wasn't a mod, I'd be glad to have Ed change the color of my name. Or I'll use text colors to indicate what my speech means.


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what is this? our yearly civil war?

everyone just needs to relax and relax some more.

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Squanto wrote:
Moderator actions are not done in public. We do them via PM.

If it would make you guys happy if I wasn't a mod, I'd be glad to have Ed change the color of my name. Or I'll use text colors to indicate what my speech means.

You're fine, and you do a good job that people should appreciate. Simply being a mod is gonna put you under fire at times.

People just forget what the boards are REALLY for. To share opinions, and learn stuff. Not being the smartest poster, or the cutest writer. We just need to remember the 1st rule of sane posting, and that's to step away if you're getting heated up. Nothing good ever comes from heated posting duels. This is why I'm against posts consisting of "pwned" and crap like that, because it's just unnecessary, immature foolishness. iow...

Can we all just get along?


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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
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So he can't use another league as an example? I think that's pretty short-sighted.


An example of what?

The reason that Modrak are still with the Bills are completely different than the reasons Regier is still with the Sabres. There is no relationship between the two.


Well then explain yourself and your reasoning. that's something you don't do. This is a chat board, its meant to foster discussion and debate. Tell me how they are different and I bet you come around to that there are similarities.

But overall you are short sighted and the fact that you never get anyone's sarcasm just shows your limitations. You seem to love to harp on me...back at ya babe.


We kind of put this to rest a little while ago, but OK.

um yeah, but he also did another mea culpa in another thread on the topic of sarcasm and his lack of getting it. But me he hammers. He was out of line, but whatever. Its his world I get it now.

See maybe its just my college education coming out, but we tend to compare similar things to make inferences and educated guesses...heck even a hypothesis or two. Go figure.

I guess the issue of small market teams who tell their fan bases that they can't compete financially and we should just be happy with whomever takes the job and whatever duties they choose to undertake..even if they aren't usually paired with the job title isn't worth discussing within a topic on new ownership of one of the franchises. Funny, I think that's right on topic and maybe a little more insightful than, "Yay Pegula, F Darcy."

Each franchise (Bills and Sabres) have done this and every so often a spoke or two gets the blame and gets tossed. Now with the Sabres its different as its not a spoke that's getting tossed, its the hub and a few spokes. Will that change things? Maybe, maybe not, but the possibility that a small market can compete given the right set of circumstances and we could be that franchise is really exciting to me. But we still have to fight the "we get what we get and should be happy with it" mentality that has plague these fanbases for over a decade now.

I mean think about that...we were told we should be happy that a billionaire bought this team and increased revenue. To me that the minimum that billionaire should have done. He's rich and can write a check. He made billions he should be able to improve our financial workings. Where's the hockey part of the equation? If he was just running a business like Paychex fine, but this is pro sports, the bastardization of labor and employment law. The cool digs and unis, flex pricing all good. The Pats got crappier uniforms and won SBs to win back a fanbase. I'll take door number two.

There is a distinct possibility that if Pegula does as good a job as we hope he will that it will not only bolster the Sabres..but the league. At least that's what I think. You get a guy with that much money who says he's all in? That's powerful.

But the Modrak/Regier issue is one of how much influence the architect of the status quo will have going forward. The fact that both Modrak and Regier have been both given reprieves by fans because we can't exactly put the finger on if they were the one behind the poor decision ...nah they are nothing alike. Let's see ol' Squanto actually debate that point. Heck there could be debate that Darcy had to deal with embezzlers and a cheap owner...so maybe he's totally different that he's been allowed to be to this point. One has to wonder why a guy would stay here for as long as he did if he's as respected as he seems to be around the league.

But all Squanto does is go tell me to post on another board. Funny thing to me is that when I represent a client, I represent them all the time, if I act all douchy even for a minute..I could loose a client. That's what I find so amusing out Squanto being a moderator. Maybe he's like that with everyone, but I've never been treated like that on any other board I post on. It just makes the site look lame.

Both organization make player decisions at least somewhat by committee the difference is the card comes from Darcy. But Modrak was on record as wanted Clay Mathews over a lessor player and maybe Darcy had a heated discussion that we should have kept players like Briere, but we won't know because if anything, Darcy is a good solider. But one would have to think that pulling off the Briere trade and housing Phoenix...he'd want to keep the guy. The what ifs are very similar between these two.

Maybe we've not seem Darcy in a fair light...the same things have been said about Modrak...and due at least in part the the murkiness of the front office situations with both clubs. Heck now the Sabres don't even tell you when they extend their front office staff. Sure they don't have to...but what's it say when you don't?

Modrak's has supposedly diminished with some of the comments made early on in Gailey/Nix transfer. Now we're going to see what unfolds with Pegula and Regier, Ruff, etc.. Early reports have both staying on..so how much change is still a significant issue...but like Modrak and his MI6 type job description and the same can be said about Darcy's power and decision making.

Record aside, the Bills seem to be moving in the right direction...that's just with a new GM and coach. The Sabres have a new owner...things might get significantly better more quickly than they may with the Bills. Again, an exciting thought for a Sabres fan who's continually making room for jerseys of players no longer on the team. But hey, at least I have SabreTooth...he can't be traded.

But again ...I'm off topic so go ahead and PM me.

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what is this? our yearly civil war?

everyone just needs to relax and relax some more.

I dunno. My unsolicited opinion is that this whole "debate" is a non-issue. The civil war/schism of last year was different. That was a complete meltdown by a bunch of stupid fucks that we are better off without.
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If someone thinks Pegula should keep Regier, someone needs their head examined, seriously.

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Sabretooth wrote:
If someone thinks Pegula should keep Regier, someone needs their head examined, seriously.



can you recommend any docs for me in the pittsburgh area.... As Irony said, people forget the GM darcy was without Quinn... We have given him 1000 games under not so ideal ownership circumstances... whats 100 more under ideal ownership circumstances? Darcy has been shrewd, calculating, and has taken advantage of a few teams... I honestly would love to see what he can do with Terry as owner... Give him one year.. tell him to improve it or there is the door...

Can you fix this team in one deadline/off season... hell no... BUT you can get damn close... take the cuffs off and let the guy roll....

so who's that MD i should go see...

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