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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:35 am 
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I figured they would keep trying but not be able to gain any ground because Roy was out. It looked pretty grim, but somehow someway they are winning a lot of hockey games without any scoring punch from their centers! I don't recall ever seeing anything like this, I hope they can keep it going and get it!


Interesting. We lost Roy on the 25th. We lost 1 game to the Flames on the 27th. From the 28th on, we've been the 2nd best team in the Eastern Conference.

I don't get it. Is Roy locker room cancer?


I don't really get it either. Hard to put a finger on it, but, from the time he became one of THE main guys on this team ('07-'08), I've never gotten the sense that he's made the Sabres a better team, or even a guy who makes his linemates/teammates better.

It's like the Sabres are a harder working, nastier team without him in the lineup.


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gr8daygo wrote:
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It's probably a pipe dream, but I would love a deal that involved us snagging Colin Wilson from Nashville. 12g, 15a, 27 pts, a +10, and he's 6-1, 219 pounds and 21 years old.


am i allowed to be cautiously optimistic about the trade deadline? Darcy with no Quinn... Will he shake and bake.... or make the single token move of the past couple years...



All I know is that they will be looking for immediate improvement, and probably less likely to shop for anything long term. I think they could stand to gain a center and maybe another defense man, Morrisonn has been a disappointment IMO. Kevin Klein could help the PK out a lot while playing a smart dependable style the rest of the time. Stephen Weiss of Florida is an underrated player who would likely thrive on a Lindy Ruff team. Both of those guys are pretty young though, so I don't know if they are attainable.

More likely you will see them go after the likes of Jason Arnott, who would probably be a great fit. And I have to wonder if Chris Phillips will be shopped by the Sens, if so he would be a must have.


Morrisonn will blossom next season. He hasn't been lock down, but he hasn't been bad this year. Lately, he's done a nice job breaking up plays and blocking shots. And I like the chemistry that he an Weber are building.

For all of Darcy's faults, he's done a nice job of signing defensemen just before they blossom. Look at what Montador has become. Morrisonn, I think, will be next. And if Weber keeps progressing... Talk about a shut down pair.

I like Stephen Weiss, though.



That wasn't a bad player to sign by the GM, but I don't think he was brought here to do anymore blossoming. This is as good as Morrisonn gets.


I think I have to disagree with this... if the GM gets it right you should blossom at some point with a new team, its just getting the chemistry, learning the guys, learning the system. When you have confidence in all those areas your game picks up a bit... that Morrisonn has been hurt a bit which has stunted that growth a bit, but I do like what he is putting together with Weber and if that tandem continues to flourish, that could be a very very good thing for the Sabres...

How about a vet D man for Myers? Do you like the Sekera/Myers pairing? Or would Myers benefit from a vet, like he did with Hank? Are there any "Hanks" out there that may be a few years younger?



I think that where we differ on this topic is with the terminology. I don't use words like "blossom" and "growth" when talking about 28 year old, 8 year NHL veteran players. If you replace those words with "adjustment period" then I think we are pretty much on the same page. He IS a veteran defense man, he was brought there to provide steady, physical play and maybe even be a stay at home partner for Myers. He was given the opportunity for more ice time in Buffalo, and he simply hasn't played well enough to be a top 4 defense man. Ironically, it seems to me that Weber is the stay at home partner for Morrisonn, because now you see him moving into the offensive zone and stepping up more at the blue line.

I think they still need a penalty killing, shot blocking maniac like Lydman on the blue line. A player like that can really bail out the team when it's under siege by bad penalties. Which as we all know, will happen. So instead of whining about it later and using it for an excuse all summer I think they should try and address it at the deadline, and prepare to overcome it. It's easier said than done but if after the deadline, they have a blue line that looks like this:

Greene/Myers
Leopold/Montador
Sekera/Weber

Butler
Rivet

Well that might work out swell.

Both Greene and Arnott are upcoming UFAs for the cap stressed Devils. Greene figures to make a million or so more than Morrisonn will, and they were not going to resign Arnott anyways because they need to work out an RFA deal with Parise somehow. So maybe Morrisonn+2nd rounder+prospect for Arnott and Greene.

Greene isn't a stay at home type but he's good, and a legitimate top 4 d-man.

Regarding Sekera, I like his game a lot and I think he has a great future in the NHL and for the Sabres. But if I'm looking to fortify my roster for a potential playoff run, that's an area to upgrade.

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I wouldn't blame Roy too much except for the PP. The Sabres have had such a good record lately primarily because their PP has been the best in the league at over 32% since Dec 1st. That's as far as anyone has to look to figure out what the difference is. Dumbing down the PP without the fancy crap that Roy and Connolly would try too often has worked wonders. Quick passes and point shots before the lane gets clogged beats standing still and trying the tic-tac-toe every time.


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It might not even be Roy's 'fault'.

It could be as simple as the rest of the guys stepping up their game because they say Roy go down.


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It might not even be Roy's 'fault'.

It could be as simple as the rest of the guys stepping up their game because they say Roy go down.


no no. Roy is holdin the rest of the team down :) . get rid of him and get a new center.

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I don't want to spend high dollar for a guy like Arnott that is going to bring some leadership and be gone soon, well past his prime and his best production.

I do want Andy Greene though, but not as a rental. If we're going to buy an impact player before the deadline it better be with a long-term contract extension.


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11-4-1 in their last 16 games, 7 of those wins came against playoff teams.

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Seven wins also came against that team's starting goalie. (Four losses to starters.)

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Do you guys remember when we used to have "scoring by committee"? It worked well for us... Can we do it again? I've never been a big fan of having "The Guy" or "The Line", because it takes a team so long to work out a strategy when he/it goes down.


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Squanto wrote:
It might not even be Roy's 'fault'.

It could be as simple as the rest of the guys stepping up their game because they saw Roy go down.

Exactly!!!
Roy is absolutely one of our best players, night in and night out. Plus, he's only getting $4 million. Unless we get some amazing return for him, I would not even consider trading him.
I can't believe how little love Roy gets. He may very well be our best non-goalie.

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BagBoy wrote:
Squanto wrote:
It might not even be Roy's 'fault'.

It could be as simple as the rest of the guys stepping up their game because they saw Roy go down.

Exactly!!!
Roy is absolutely one of our best players, night in and night out. Plus, he's only getting $4 million. Unless we get some amazing return for him, I would not even consider trading him.
I can't believe how little love Roy gets. He may very well be our best non-goalie.


Just because he's our best player doesn't mean he does anything to lead the team. Just because he's a point-per-game player doesn't mean it rubs off everyone.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
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It might not even be Roy's 'fault'.

It could be as simple as the rest of the guys stepping up their game because they saw Roy go down.

Exactly!!!
Roy is absolutely one of our best players, night in and night out. Plus, he's only getting $4 million. Unless we get some amazing return for him, I would not even consider trading him.
I can't believe how little love Roy gets. He may very well be our best non-goalie.


Just because he's our best player doesn't mean he does anything to lead the team. Just because he's a point-per-game player doesn't mean it rubs off everyone.


Roy going down isn't why the Sabres are playing better. If you think it is, please, write down why you think it is, spread your cheeks, and shove it in your ass.

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Roy going down IS why...when a star goes down, good teams have players step up and take control. Vanek and Stafford are doing just that.

It also has to do with before the injury, Roy was the engine who powered the offense. With him gone, the play is channeled more through Vanek and Stafford, who both acknowledge they have to be more shoot-happy now.

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i know this is a different topic, but does anyone still want stafford gone after this year?

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Not me. Sign him now, before he gets a ridiculous offer sheet.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
BagBoy wrote:
Squanto wrote:
It might not even be Roy's 'fault'.

It could be as simple as the rest of the guys stepping up their game because they saw Roy go down.

Exactly!!!
Roy is absolutely one of our best players, night in and night out. Plus, he's only getting $4 million. Unless we get some amazing return for him, I would not even consider trading him.
I can't believe how little love Roy gets. He may very well be our best non-goalie.


Just because he's our best player doesn't mean he does anything to lead the team. Just because he's a point-per-game player doesn't mean it rubs off everyone.


Roy going down isn't why the Sabres are playing better. If you think it is, please, write down why you think it is, spread your cheeks, and shove it in your ass.


Why don't you shove your own opinion in your own ass. The "your opinion is wrong, so fuck you" thing is really getting old.

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Roy going down IS why...when a star goes down, good teams have players step up and take control. Vanek and Stafford are doing just that.

It also has to do with before the injury, Roy was the engine who powered the offense. With him gone, the play is channeled more through Vanek and Stafford, who both acknowledge they have to be more shoot-happy now.


Which is working, oddly enough.

Funny how if we stop playing our pass happy game, the team shoots more, and, shockingly enough (I know), scores more.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i know this is a different topic, but does anyone still want stafford gone after this year?



I have to say, Im close to doing a 180 on Staff... been very impressive lately... BUT please do not back the money truck up to him just yet... I say sign at a small raise for 2 or 3 to see if he continues this pace...

Im having a hard time figuring out what to do with this team. I few months ago I was ready to send Rivet, Neids, Timmy, Staff, Grier, Gerbe all packing... Now... well everyone seems to have a little more pep in their step... other than the Captain because I cant remember the last time I saw him... So Im honestly not sure what the hell to do with the team... Im glad Im not Darcy... lol...

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I don't want to spend high dollar for a guy like Arnott that is going to bring some leadership and be gone soon, well past his prime and his best production.

I do want Andy Greene though, but not as a rental. If we're going to buy an impact player before the deadline it better be with a long-term contract extension.



Arnott would just be a rental until after the season. Thus is the nature of the bidness.

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