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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:42 pm 
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The first Grabner goal wasn't all Miller's fault either. When he went out of the net another NYI player was skating and standing in front of Miller so he could not get back to the crease, and he did that on purpose too.

You can see it clearly in the highlights Miller was completely blocked from making that save or to get back into the crease.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Hey - I'm calling it as I see it, and I disagree with you. I've seen it many times in sports where captains and leaders talk about themselves before they call out anyone else. Miller does it less frequently and begrudgingly. When's the last time you heard him say - "It starts with me. I've got to start looking myself in the mirror to see how I can play better". More often than not, he just mumbles about how he gave up a bad goal rather than say he's not getting it done and handles criticism poorly. I just wonder how the team reacts to that - I have no idea, not being in the locker room.

And yeah, stats are telling sometimes. You're on the opposite end of the spectrum and seem to disregard them altogether. Anyone that's watched the last 18-20 games can see that the team is winning much more on account of the improved play of Stafford, Ennis, Vanek, Sekera, and Myers (past couple of games), rather than the play of Miller. Yeah, he's made great saves periodically, but isn't that what goalies are supposed to do?

He says that all the time, why don't you go back and listen to some of his interviews. Honestly, sometimes when I'm listening to his interviews I want to make a note every time he talks about his shortcomings and when he blames himself, because I find it funny how fans always criticize him for not doing that.

I don't totally disregard stats, but they aren't the be all end all, and all because his GAA is 31st in the league or whatever it is doesn't mean those 30 goalies are better than him. Obviously his stats aren't good no matter how you slice it, and you can't ignore that. But you can't just look at his stats and say, "Wow, they're at the bottom of the league. He must be a terrible goalie."

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:45 pm 
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I'm going to back off on the statement that he doesn't accept blame, as I haven't listened to every one of his post game interviews and don't have time to do so. But in the ones I have heard, I haven't been impressed by his level of accountability and I'm not the only one with that perception.

You're right Fly, that stats aren't everything and being on the bottom of the pile this year doesn't make him a terrible goalie. But remember also that his stats also played a role in winning the Vezina last year, and nobody would argue that he was undeserving, so it goes both ways. If you're winning awards and being deemed the best goaltender on the planet due to your stats one year, but the next year you're scraping the bottom of the bucket in GAA and SV%, a helathy dose of criticism is justified, especially when you go from a front-runner to a possible non-playoff team.


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http://downloads.sabres.nhl.com/audio/2 ... Miller.mp3

4:08 in. Admits his own mistakes from last night.


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Liar, he only blames others for everything he has done.
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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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I'd also like to bring up that whenever Miller has a great game or gets a shutout, he's always quick to say how it was a team effort and how he really benefited from the defense playing strong in front of him.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:03 pm 
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What does everyone think of Miller standing tall leaving the net wide open on Grabner's game winning goal? That is pretty stupid.

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Sabretooth wrote:
What does everyone think of Miller standing tall leaving the net wide open on Grabner's game winning goal? That is pretty stupid.


I think that nobody here is qualified to say what an NHL goaltender should or should not be doing at any given moment.


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Squanto wrote:
Sabretooth wrote:
What does everyone think of Miller standing tall leaving the net wide open on Grabner's game winning goal? That is pretty stupid.


I think that nobody here is qualified to say what an NHL goaltender should or should not be doing at any given moment.


It is not the only time he has done this.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:15 pm 
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How about that ridiculously awful looking wrap around? Now that was hard to watch.

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Yes, it is. One of several things like that happen when you cannot clear your zone.

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Sabretooth wrote:
What does everyone think of Miller standing tall leaving the net wide open on Grabner's game winning goal? That is pretty stupid.


he was tall, but as the puck came in, he went to his normal stance. the key was he was inbetween steps, thus not set when grabnor took the shot. thats tough beans right there. it was a good shot taken at the right time.

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It is hard to see Miller returning to his normal stance, especially when he is quicker than the puck to return to form.

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fly as hale wrote:
I'd also like to bring up that whenever Miller has a great game or gets a shutout, he's always quick to say how it was a team effort and how he really benefited from the defense playing strong in front of him.


Yes, because that's what it takes to be better than average, more often than not. Tim Thomas/Tukka Rask? They play for the Boston Bruins, a team that's not exactly easy to play against. They are generally a defensively responsible team.

Ryan Miller's stats are what I'm going to lie my argument with because he isn't doing either of what make a goalie impressive (a. having great stats, or b. making clutch saves).

You can say my argument is weak because I cite the stats. I'm also citing the fact that he hasn't been clutch. 2/2 on the suck meter lately. You're in fantasy land if you think that he's playing "good".

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Yes, because that's what it takes to be better than average, more often than not. Tim Thomas/Tukka Rask? They play for the Boston Bruins, a team that's not exactly easy to play against. They are generally a defensively responsible team.



i dont have the numbers in front in me, but at least in the beginning part of this season, the bruins were giving up a high number of shots when rask was in net. i think the number i came up with was 34 a game.

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I'll add something. Miller definately needs to work on his puck handling skills this offseason. They're atrocious:lol: Every time he steps out of his crease, my gf and I go nuts:lol:


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Sabretooth wrote:
It is hard to see Miller returning to his normal stance, especially when he is quicker than the puck to return to form.

31 straight games has a toll on your body. You play that many games in a row and see how your body feels when you face around 30 shots a game if not more typically.

Fatigue is a huge reason last night, he could have been better, the team could have been better. But what happened is what happened. None of us play in the NHL at the goalie position.

The only one here that plays goalie is Mike, as far as I know at least.

My view on the game has changed greatly since I started playing, I understand not everything can go your way and hot the puck behaves on rough ice. You start to see it as a hockey player instead of a fan who knows nothing.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The first Grabner goal wasn't all Miller's fault either. When he went out of the net another NYI player was skating and standing in front of Miller so he could not get back to the crease, and he did that on purpose too.

You can see it clearly in the highlights Miller was completely blocked from making that save or to get back into the crease.

Sky, he didn't even try though. No push, no nothing. Besdies that, he over committed like a mofo on that play.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The first Grabner goal wasn't all Miller's fault either. When he went out of the net another NYI player was skating and standing in front of Miller so he could not get back to the crease, and he did that on purpose too.

You can see it clearly in the highlights Miller was completely blocked from making that save or to get back into the crease.

Sky, he didn't even try though. No push, no nothing. Besdies that, he over committed like a mofo on that play.

Maybe, but on that play after Miller over commits to that side it's the defenses job to stop Grabner from getting that goal, which they didn't do.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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miller didnt overcommit on the wrap around, he commited, which he had to do considering your body cant react to a shot from that close. so he went down into a butterfly, playing the percentages. dude kept on skating, and the defense was all "WHAT DO I DO, GEORGE? WHAT DO I DO?"

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