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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:14 pm 
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I don't like having to rely on one goalie for 30+ straight games, and that could be an issue if they even reach the playoffs, but I think this is just one bad game by Miller out of several this season, and one bad defensive team game out of many. I don't think any reliable conclusions can come from that game, other than the fact that Sekera continues to be a magic eight ball on the blueline.


Egh Sekera made the same gamble that Grabner did. Grabner just won the coinflip. Take a chance at playing the puck to generate an odd man rush rather than being safe and playing the man.

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Is anyone forgetting that despite the play since the new year.....our team has fucking sucked this season? I mean the guys in front of Miller basically blew from October to December and now that they have been playing better...well things are picking up. Goalies can't win games by themselves. Look at Detroit. Howard is in 1st place with 28 wins but his SV% is 28th in the league and his GAA is 31st. The difference is the wall of talent in front of him. Give Miller that talent and we'd be having a completely different conversation.

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Isn't it typical for Miller to have a bit of a dip in his play this time of year anyways?

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1 stat matters for goalies: save percentage. everything else is too dependent on the defense in front of you.



Wins is the most important thing.

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X-pensfan wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
1 stat matters for goalies: save percentage. everything else is too dependent on the defense in front of you.



Wins is the most important thing.


thats a team stat.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
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1 stat matters for goalies: save percentage. everything else is too dependent on the defense in front of you.



Wins is the most important thing.


thats a team stat.


I don't know about that. Wins are a pretty telling stat for goaltenders. Look at how many Patrick Lalime has with the Sabres.

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Yeah, maybe it's considered a team stat...but I'd rather have my goalie have average GAA and SV% and a great winning record than the other way around.

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Yeah, maybe it's considered a team stat...but I'd rather have my goalie have average GAA and SV% and a great winning record than the other way around.


the goalie can only make saves. he cant score the goals too. wins are ultimate, but not as a goaltending stat. there can be... ONLY 1! the save percentage is the highlander of goalie stats.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
1 stat matters for goalies: save percentage. everything else is too dependent on the defense in front of you.



Wins is the most important thing.


thats a team stat.


I don't know about that. Wins are a pretty telling stat for goaltenders. Look at how many Patrick Lalime has with the Sabres.


i dont care how many he has. i care how many the team has. ya know?

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I don't like having to rely on one goalie for 30+ straight games, and that could be an issue if they even reach the playoffs, but I think this is just one bad game by Miller out of several this season, and one bad defensive team game out of many. I don't think any reliable conclusions can come from that game, other than the fact that Sekera continues to be a magic eight ball on the blueline.


Egh Sekera made the same gamble that Grabner did. Grabner just won the coinflip. Take a chance at playing the puck to generate an odd man rush rather than being safe and playing the man.


A forward can afford to gamble, a d-man has to play it safe in that situation.


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You can also look back to last year's playoffs to see how Miller failed to make clutch saves at the most critical times, despite having excellent overall stats. In 2 out of the 3 games in which the Sabres held 2-goal leads, they lost. Including in game 4, when they had a 2-0 lead entering the 3rd period. This despite posting a better than .920 GAA in that series. Yeah, yeah, I know, the team around him didn't do very well in those games either, but those are also big-stage moments when you expect your superstar goalie to crank it up a notch. He wasn't the reason they lost the series, but he also couldn't close the deal when given the opportunity.


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You can also look back to last year's playoffs to see how Miller failed to make clutch saves at the most critical times, despite having excellent overall stats. In 2 out of the 3 games in which the Sabres held 2-goal leads, they lost. Including in game 4, when they had a 2-0 lead entering the 3rd period. This despite posting a better than .920 GAA in that series. Yeah, yeah, I know, the team around him didn't do very well in those games either, but those are also big-stage moments when you expect your superstar goalie to crank it up a notch. He wasn't the reason they lost the series, but he also couldn't close the deal when given the opportunity.


He got shelled in that series. The Sabres collapsed like a house of cards.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
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You can also look back to last year's playoffs to see how Miller failed to make clutch saves at the most critical times, despite having excellent overall stats. In 2 out of the 3 games in which the Sabres held 2-goal leads, they lost. Including in game 4, when they had a 2-0 lead entering the 3rd period. This despite posting a better than .920 GAA in that series. Yeah, yeah, I know, the team around him didn't do very well in those games either, but those are also big-stage moments when you expect your superstar goalie to crank it up a notch. He wasn't the reason they lost the series, but he also couldn't close the deal when given the opportunity.


He got shelled in that series. The Sabres collapsed like a house of cards.


In the 2 games where they blew 2-goal leads, the shots were almost exactly even. Not sure how this equates to him getting shelled.


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Dave Davis just posted a great piece on all this Miller nonsense. I especially enjoyed the indirect "FUCK YOU" towards WGR.

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/h ... overreact/

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An American-born goaltender from Michigan has a career year, leads his team to the Northeast Division title, wins the Vezina Trophy, injures his hip early the following season and proceeds to stink up the joint. Sound familiar?

As you probably deduced, I’m referring to Tim Thomas.

While the numbers have been eye-popping for the Boston Bruins goaltender in his comeback season, the Sabres have a pretty talented goalie of their own who finds himself in a similar situation to where Thomas was a year ago.

And now, after a nightmarish performance by Ryan Miller Sunday against the New York Islanders, things here in Buffalo have gotten a little crazy. It’s amazing what one awful game in a 12-4-2 stretch will do to people.

A local radio station ran a poll on its website yesterday asking Sabres fans whether or not new ownership should move forward with Miller as their goaltender. Pundits are enlightening us with the notion that non-elites like Antti Niemi, Marc-Andre Fleury and Chris Osgood winning Stanley Cups somehow translates to Miller being expendable.
When Jhonas Enroth goes between the pipes tonight for the Sabres at Centre Bell in Montreal, it’ll be the first game Miller hasn’t started since we were all sitting down for Thanksgiving dinner. Many of the franchise netminder’s antagonists have either forgotten or ignored the fact that he was battling hip and knee injuries at the time.

Are we to assume that three months later the reigning Vezina Trophy winner is playing at 100%? Noone lacking a medical degree should dare touch that one, but perhaps history can give us a lesson.

Thomas went through most of last season not totally sure what was wrong until he aggravated his injury right after the Olympics. He eventually had to resort to offseason surgery to resolve the problem. Put another way, a 36-year old with a surgically repaired hip currently leads the league with a 1.97 GAA.

Wouldn’t it be kind of foolish for Buffalo to even consider making a rash move based on an assumption that Miller’s Vezina season was just a fluke? That’s the type of thinking that has gotten guys like Mike Milbury jobs as television analysts.

Miller may be injured, tired, neither or both, but one thing he’s not is dispensable. Unless the Sabres have discovered some grand scheme to get Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews, Sidney Crosby and Pavel Datsyk onto their roster this summer, they aren’t winning a Stanley Cup in the near future without a rejuvenated Miller in net.

Free agent pickings aren’t great this summer. And sorry, Sabres fans, but trading for Jarome Iginla, Dustin Brown, David Backes, or anyone else that your silly rumor site is telling you is headed here won’t be enough to put this team over the top without the healthy and fresh version of the franchise goaltender playing well.

To the 25% who voted ‘no’ in that poll yesterday, shame on you. But based on how you voted in that Drew Stafford poll last summer, it’s not surprising.


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Great write up.

Tim Thomas.

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yeah, michigan does goaltending GOOD.

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DieHardFan wrote:
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You can also look back to last year's playoffs to see how Miller failed to make clutch saves at the most critical times, despite having excellent overall stats. In 2 out of the 3 games in which the Sabres held 2-goal leads, they lost. Including in game 4, when they had a 2-0 lead entering the 3rd period. This despite posting a better than .920 GAA in that series. Yeah, yeah, I know, the team around him didn't do very well in those games either, but those are also big-stage moments when you expect your superstar goalie to crank it up a notch. He wasn't the reason they lost the series, but he also couldn't close the deal when given the opportunity.


He got shelled in that series. The Sabres collapsed like a house of cards.


In the 2 games where they blew 2-goal leads, the shots were almost exactly even. Not sure how this equates to him getting shelled.

quality of the shots and how often the came.

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Exactly, Woz. The Sabres were physically dominated in their own end for large stretches of time during the third period. Miller did everything he could do to fight off those shots, but they were coming from everywhere.

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That was a great column by Davis, and eloquently sums up everything I feel about this whole situation.

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That was a good read, and it reinforces my belief that Miller is going to win the Vezina again, but even more so he's going to get the Cup. Maybe even before this year is all over people will be frequently stating that he's the best in the business.

One of the things that I don't like about how Ruff runs his shop (on a very short list) is the goalies. I just don't get playing a goalie on back to back nights, and to do it for so long, I mean you're going to burn him out and increase the likeliness of injury. I don't like 10 games in a row let alone 20 or 30. This isn't 1950.

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