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PuckSniperPensel
PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:27 pm 
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WHEN DID I SAY DARCY WAS A FUCKSTICK, TOM?

I COMPLIMENTED him on his ability to find these blossoming defensemen.

I'm simply stating my reaction to the idea that Darcy hasn't even contacted Montador's agent to get an idea of what his salary demands are.

If it's true, then it's another part of Darcy's practices as a GM that I'm not a fan of. That's it.

A call. An email. A sit down lunch. Get an IDEA at the very least.

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If you don't know how free agents are normally handled, you cannot say that the handling of Montador is "absolutely ridiculous, and unacceptable".

Period.

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You can't tell me that I'm not allowed to do that because I don't know how free agents are dealt with, because YOU don't know how free agents are dealt with.

Period.

End of story.

Oh okay. Here. Let me try this again.

I'm simply stating my reaction to the idea that Darcy hasn't even contacted Montador's agent to get an idea of what his salary demands are.

If it's true that Darcy hasn't contacted Montador, AND IF THIS IS "NOT THE TYPICAL WAY GM'S DEAL WITH FREE AGENTS," then it's another part of Darcy's practices as a GM that I'm not a fan of. That's it.

A call. An email. A sit down lunch. Get an IDEA at the very least.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
You can't tell me that I'm not allowed to do that because I don't know how free agents are dealt with, because YOU don't know how free agents are dealt with.

Period.

End of story.


Nice attempt at conspiracy theory backdoor logic.

"You can't prove me wrong, therefore I must be right!!"

I'm not the one that's asserting Darcy is a bad GM because he hasn't contacted Monty's agent yet. YOU ARE. I'm simply pointing out the flaw in your logic.


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Squanto wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
You can't tell me that I'm not allowed to do that because I don't know how free agents are dealt with, because YOU don't know how free agents are dealt with.

Period.

End of story.


Nice attempt at conspiracy theory backdoor logic.

"You can't prove me wrong, therefore I must be right!!"

I'm not the one that's asserting Darcy is a bad GM because he hasn't contacted Monty's agent yet. YOU ARE. I'm simply pointing out the flaw in your logic.


There you go again.

I'm not asserting that Darcy's a bad GM, am I?

Aren't I just voicing my displeasure with the way he's handled Steve Montador?

Isn't that what I'm doing here?

Please, go back and read.

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He could have been signed for a reasonable amount earlier this season for all we know. But we won't know, and neither will the Sabres, because no attempt was even made.

That is absolutely ridiculous, and unacceptable.

Darcy's done a great job hand picking these guys at the right time and allowing them to blossom, and then he just lets them sail free when they've reached that point.

WHISKEY... TANGO... FOXTROT?!?!?!?!


That sure looks like criticism of him to me.


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Criticism of how he handles our pending free agents, with a compliment on his ability to sign blossoming ones at marginal salaries.

Damn right I'm criticizing him... on one aspect of his job.

Even in that post, I didn't say anywhere that Darcy was a bad GM, as you've twice asserted that I did.

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You're criticizing based on a false premise.


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Squanto wrote:
You're criticizing based on a false premise.


I'm criticizing based on my observations and beliefs on how things should be handled.

I've seen lots of players signed mid season, which leads me to believe that there are GMs out there who DO negotiate with pending free agents before the end of the season.

I'm no professional, but I'm entitled to an opinion. And I'm stating it on a message board.

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Not sure where this fits into the current discussion, but as far as doing a great job picking players that are going into their prime, I'm convinced that Darcy simply got lucky with Montador. He was fairly old when he came in and there was nothing to suggest that he was going to be anything but a journeyman deenseman playing 15 minutes a game in his career.

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You've got to give him some credit there. I mean, he knew how Montador played. He's a great skater, and Darcy probably felt that he'd fit well in the Sabres system that involves quite a bit of movement for the defensemen and less physicality.

So he signed him. And he's been very good for us.

I bet Morrisonn plays really well next season, too. Just wait and see.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Not sure where this fits into the current discussion, but as far as doing a great job picking players that are going into their prime, I'm convinced that Darcy simply got lucky with Montador. He was fairly old when he came in and there was nothing to suggest that he was going to be anything but a journeyman deenseman playing 15 minutes a game in his career.


It certainly was a boost. I also think we didn't have a lot of defensemen like him on the team and a tough physical guy with a scoring streak was a mystery at the time.


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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
You've got to give him some credit there. I mean, he knew how Montador played. He's a great skater, and Darcy probably felt that he'd fit well in the Sabres system that involves quite a bit of movement for the defensemen and less physicality.

So he signed him. And he's been very good for us.

I bet Morrisonn plays really well next season, too. Just wait and see.



Ive been pretty happy with Morrisonn recently... him and Weber have been solid! And I believe you're correct ... Next season Morrisonn/Weber could be a mean shut down solid 2nd pairing!

Now we find another vet to pair with Myers for the first pairing... well any ways... I agree Morrisonn will be very solid next year! And is showing i this year...

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I think it was during the game against the Habs on Vs. that I heard an announcer say that Montreal has a policy of not negociating during the season. I might have the team wrong but I heard that about one of the teams that Buffalo played in the last week, and it was a big team, not the Panthers or anybody like that. So maybe contract talks during the season are not as common as we might assume.


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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
I think it was during the game against the Habs on Vs. that I heard an announcer say that Montreal has a policy of not negociating during the season. I might have the team wrong but I heard that about one of the teams that Buffalo played in the last week, and it was a big team, not the Panthers or anybody like that. So maybe contract talks during the season are not as common as we might assume.


That's the Habs. They have no problem attracting free agents, so they don't worry about signing mid season.

Other smaller market teams, like Buffalo, have to be more proactive.

The Isles signed Moulson in January.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=550866

The Thrashers just resigned Byfuglien.

http://thrashers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=552839

I don't have the time to keep looking right now. But in season signings happen.

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When the fuck are they going to learn?

I don't know, but I hope the learning process doesn't involve Drew Stafford.

I think it's perfectly sane to be upset that they are dallying with their re-signings again. We all know what it has cost us in the past, and that's no secret. On the other hand, with an ownership change, this situation may be different. When a guy is 32, and has played for you for a bit, I don't think you need to further evaluate his play to determine his value. The numbers and such should be maybe 80% crunched for next year defensively. Many teams already have 6 under contract for next year.


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gotta take both sides here.
I agree with adam in the sense that i dont like that they havent even contacted his agent yet. not calling darcy a bad gm by any means, just saying i dont like he hasnt been contacted yet.
but i also agree with tom that maybe they are waiting for the ownership change. we dont know whats going on.

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