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Carubba Kaleta
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:25 pm 
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I don't think they were playing to their full potential in the beginning of the year because no help was brought in after a division title. It has to be pretty discouraging knowing that no players from other teams want to play on your team. Also BTG never even really wanted the team it was all PR for his political career that's why he never did the things Pegula will do. Small things go along way for player moral it's a big part of the game.


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You optimists waffle too easily.
I'm not eating any crow until they actually make the playoffs....and that's still a big friggin if.

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I'm not talkin about making it, I'm just talking about being competitive. They're competitive now.

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Carubba Kaleta wrote:
Also BTG never even really wanted the team it was all PR for his political career that's why he never did the things Pegula will do.

disagree. he bought the team because he loved the sabres and loves them as part of WNY.

he made no qualms that he was a fan who owned the team, he has basically said he was going to run the team like a business from day one. the team has been for sale since he bought it and he bought it to wait for someone who wanted to keep them around and make them a winner.

BTG lied about nothing in his time as an owner, and we should be happier than SHIT that he was around, because without him, our team is in the sunbelt somewhere.


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Carubba Kaleta
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PatGreen wrote:
Carubba Kaleta wrote:
Also BTG never even really wanted the team it was all PR for his political career that's why he never did the things Pegula will do.

disagree. he bought the team because he loved the sabres and loves them as part of WNY.

he made no qualms that he was a fan who owned the team, he has basically said he was going to run the team like a business from day one. the team has been for sale since he bought it and he bought it to wait for someone who wanted to keep them around and make them a winner.

BTG lied about nothing in his time as an owner, and we should be happier than SHIT that he was around, because without him, our team is in the sunbelt somewhere.
ok I'm rescinding that statement.


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Carubba Kaleta wrote:
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So where are these players already under contract going to get these hypothetical raises you mention?

Oh wait....

Pretty simple you play harder for raises when your contract expires or extensions or bonuses and the hope to not be traded. Staying on a team or company with the best owner in the world is a lot of motivation right there. Now your just being stubborn Squanto even lindy ruff has said publicly that it has made a differnece.


I do not deny for one second that Pegula has made an positive impact already.

I'm saying that they were playing better BEFORE Pegula took over.


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mechaphil wrote:
I'm not talkin about making it, I'm just talking about being competitive. They're competitive now.


its alot more fun when your teams playing for a spot. even if they miss, its been a hell of a ride.

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I had them counted out in December as well, but I did mention at the time that that's exactly how I felt in 05-06. We all know what happened then. And no, they haven't made it yet, and they could get bounced by Philly in the first round if they make it as #8. BUT, it's fun to have a reason for some hope. you get rolling at the right time of year and the sky's the limit. If they're still playing like this come April, I think this team could go as far as anybody in the league.


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I think the team started flat for two reasons - the disappointing playoff loss and the ensuing slamfest in TBN, and the cheap skate handling of Kennedy. It just reinforced that the team needed help, but wasn't going to get it under Golisano. During a summer when they were poised with cap space to add, they let a player go over a few hundred dollars and simply replaced lost UFAs.

That had to be demoralizing, but then add in Myers trying to play all-world and fumbling the puck everywhere and you have an early mess. Regardless of when Pegula actually took over, the rumors were fast and furious in December and I think that really energized the team. They cleaned up on the ice and a few players had the light turn on upstairs, but they actually started to playharder with more discipline and determination than I thought they had left. I called them dead in December, but I have to really eat crow and hand it to them for battling back.

If (IF) they keep it up they will be as dangerous any playoff team, because we should all know that overall records mean crap, it's how you're playing going in that matters. If they tail off, or still miss the playoffs they are still looking at being a better team next season, so I'm not too unhappy either way.


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mechaphil
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If they came out flat because some sports writers said they sucked, they need to find a different career. Pussies.

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I don't mean it just like that, but knowing they needed help, had the cap space, and squabbled over a measley 200k instead of adding pieces. It's a pretty clear combination of factors that paint the picture, in full HD, that the organization you play for (battle hard through injuries, lose and get vilified) isn't commited to winning. So what was all that effort for anyway???


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mechaphil
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:25 pm 
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On, and the Pegula high? Jordan Leopold says there is one:

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"I think Terry coming over has changed the mentality, it's been a good change for us, a little bit of fresh air," defenseman Jordan Leopold said. "We're playing well as a result of that, and also (because of) the time and situation of the season."


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=555371&cmpid=rss-robinson

EDIT - Lindy thinks there's one too:

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"I think we've seen an immediate impact of that. Just since the press conference, you can see the excitement, the passion the man has for the team and the Sabres. And I think that's given us a little boost."

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Jordan Leopold has been hurt/not playing well ever since Pegula came here.

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mechaphil
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That has to do with what?

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mechaphil wrote:
On, and the Pegula high? Jordan Leopold says there is one:

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"I think Terry coming over has changed the mentality, it's been a good change for us, a little bit of fresh air," defenseman Jordan Leopold said. "We're playing well as a result of that, and also (because of) the time and situation of the season."


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=555371&cmpid=rss-robinson

EDIT - Lindy thinks there's one too:

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"I think we've seen an immediate impact of that. Just since the press conference, you can see the excitement, the passion the man has for the team and the Sabres. And I think that's given us a little boost."


This is all well and good, except that Carruba Kaleta asserted that the 'Pegula high' was affecting the team's play BEFORE PEGULA TOOK OVER, which is nonsense.

The conversation was in the 'Fuck you,Sabres' thread, on Feb 18. 4 days BEFORE Pegula was introduced to the team.

Carruba Kaleta wrote:
I think the Pegula high wore off and their true colors are showing again. Time to sell what we can before it's too late and our leverage is lost. Take a page out of Burke's book Darcy, sell when you know your team is not a contender before the whole league does the same and you lose all value.



Again, my point is that Pegula's had a positive effect on the team AFTER he took over, but certainly not before.


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mechaphil
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Oh well, yeah. Duh.

My bad.

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I think just the very real prospect of playing for an owner that wanted to win over making money could make an impact for them on the ice. Effort comes from a positive attitude, which I think the team lost over the summer.


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mechaphil wrote:
That has to do with what?


He obviously didn't get this "Pegula high", yet he's the one saying it exists. I think these players wouldn't go out and say "no, we don't care, he matters nothing to us", would they?

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mechaphil
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Maybe Pegula being the owner isn't the reason his play has suffered. Huh.

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I didn't say that's the reason his play has suffered from Pegula, just saying he hasn't prospered from it.

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