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YankeeInRaleigh
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:18 pm 
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The media is also ridiculous. Some are trying to put blame on the government which is ridiculous also.



Why is that ridiculous? The gov is responsible for setting safety standards, enforcing code, etc etc. At some level they ok'd building powerplants which could withstand 7.9 earthquakes. I'd think that in one of the worlds most geologically active areas that perhaps you'd want nuclear power plants which can stand up to the worst earthquakes, not just bad ones. I dont see criticism of the government as ridiculous.


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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The media is also ridiculous. Some are trying to put blame on the government which is ridiculous also.



Why is that ridiculous? The gov is responsible for setting safety standards, enforcing code, etc etc. At some level they ok'd building powerplants which could withstand 7.9 earthquakes. I'd think that in one of the worlds most geologically active areas that perhaps you'd want nuclear power plants which can stand up to the worst earthquakes, not just bad ones. I dont see criticism of the government as ridiculous.


in fairness, anything over an 8.0 is pretty massive. this was an 8.9-9.1... its pretty hard to build anything to withstand that.

plus, if my understanding of the richter scale is correct, for every 1.0 additional on the richter scale, the earthquake is 10 times stronger.

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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Why is that ridiculous? The gov is responsible for setting safety standards, enforcing code, etc etc. At some level they ok'd building powerplants which could withstand 7.9 earthquakes. I'd think that in one of the worlds most geologically active areas that perhaps you'd want nuclear power plants which can stand up to the worst earthquakes, not just bad ones. I dont see criticism of the government as ridiculous.


They did.

The reactors stood up to the earthquake just fine. The tsunami killed the backup power generators, and that's the major cause of the current problems.

Had this happened almost anywhere else in the world, those would have melted down days ago with major radiation release. Japan has the strictest rules in the world on this stuff due to their earthquake history.

Blaming the government here is folly.


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Squanto wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Why is that ridiculous? The gov is responsible for setting safety standards, enforcing code, etc etc. At some level they ok'd building powerplants which could withstand 7.9 earthquakes. I'd think that in one of the worlds most geologically active areas that perhaps you'd want nuclear power plants which can stand up to the worst earthquakes, not just bad ones. I dont see criticism of the government as ridiculous.


They did.

The reactors stood up to the earthquake just fine. The tsunami killed the backup power generators, and that's the major cause of the current problems.

Had this happened almost anywhere else in the world, those would have melted down days ago with major radiation release. Japan has the strictest rules in the world on this stuff due to their earthquake history.

Blaming the government here is folly.


Well to be fair, 'almost anywhere else in the world' includes a lot of space NOT right at ocean level, and thus not vulnerable to the tsunami's which often follow an earthquake at sea.
Granted, it would take some planners with vision and foresight to have built these plants to withstand what they just went through, but at some level I expect the government to have the last word on, and thus the final bit of responsibility when it comes to design and implementation of nuclear power plants. Perhaps i'm naive in thinking that, maybe it's just big business hiring the lowest bidder. In which case i'd also ask...why is their gov allowing that to happen?


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The citizens are so considerate and well organized and orderly. It's amazing.

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Squanto wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Why is that ridiculous? The gov is responsible for setting safety standards, enforcing code, etc etc. At some level they ok'd building powerplants which could withstand 7.9 earthquakes. I'd think that in one of the worlds most geologically active areas that perhaps you'd want nuclear power plants which can stand up to the worst earthquakes, not just bad ones. I dont see criticism of the government as ridiculous.


They did.

The reactors stood up to the earthquake just fine. The tsunami killed the backup power generators, and that's the major cause of the current problems.

Had this happened almost anywhere else in the world, those would have melted down days ago with major radiation release. Japan has the strictest rules in the world on this stuff due to their earthquake history.

Blaming the government here is folly.


Well, it's kind of complicated, I can agree with both sides but this is not the time for blame.
The power outage was the initial problem but there were 2 other backups that failed. The first was run on deisel power, and the last line of defense actually ran on the steam caused from the overheating, which was then cooled and recycled back into it. The designer thinks that there is a crack somewhere in the main housing and that's why it's so difficult to keep them cooled off, because the coolants keep leaking out!

Couple that knowledge with the fact that the company in charge of all of these plants was caught falsifying documents in recent years! To cover up--you guessed it--cracks. When I hear shit like that I know in my heart that hands were greased from the bottom up, I'm sure there's fault to be found in their government as well, at least in the form of a few bad apples. But this is the time for praying for lives to be saved.

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Them having two backups failing was just dumb luck. Everything was working fine until the Tsunami came in and took out the generators.

Even still, they are handling this situation better than anywhere else in the world it seems.

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actually, in light of new information that thing probably was gonna fail even if the generators stayed on, it lost it's structural integrity.

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It looks like they are just going to run away. Last report says the workers gave up cooling them, because radiation is too high. This is really scary.


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Let them fully melt down, and pray to God all radiation stays contained, or the most dangerous particles in the containment buildings.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Let them fully melt down, and pray to God all radiation stays contained, or the most dangerous particles in the containment buildings.



God didn't make that stuff, we did.So I'm praying for the human race and people way smarter than me to use their awesome intellect to save everybody!

Hallowed be thy Nerds.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Let them fully melt down, and pray to God all radiation stays contained, or the most dangerous particles in the containment buildings.


that isnt how it works, i think.

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The citizens are so considerate and well organized and orderly. It's amazing.


That's Japanese culture in a nutshell.

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did i miss something in that video?


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did i miss something in that video?



Well yeah that dog stuck by his buddy and then he came too at the end. It's pure speculation on my part, but I like too think that he revived him by farting in his face.

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haha. i wasn't sure what the deal was. i thought the owners were going to appear or something.


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haha. i wasn't sure what the deal was. i thought the owners were going to appear or something.



Nope, we gotta look very hard for positive things in real life, and that's as good as it gets I'm afraid.

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so what does happen if they cant keep these things cooled? ... meltdown... right? ... but is that like a big boom or what.... certainly doesnt look good...

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