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 Post subject: GM Meeting notes
PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:59 pm 
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Here are a few things discussed by the GM's at their meeting in Boca Raton. They included hits to the head (:shock: ), more refined video review protocols (possibly adding reviews for four min high-sticking calls, pucks off the protective netting, goalie interference and offside), coaches challenge, the use of the spin-o-rama during shootouts, and shallower nets.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=556282

Our own Darcy Regier brought up the who coaches challenge.....

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"It could be used to call attention to one particular situation. I actually have a lot more time for the potential coach's challenge than I did when it was first brought up," Buffalo GM Darcy Regier said. "I think that is the nature of it. When somebody introduces something, usually the first thing you hear is, 'No, that's a bad idea or stupid idea.' Today, more listened."

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 Post subject: Re: GM Meeting notes
PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:55 pm 
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How and when would the challenge fit in though? Nullify a penalty? Challenge a goal/no goal review even though officials in Toronto give a final ruling? How can you review an offside call anyway? Once the whistle blows they aren't going to say, "Oops, everyone back in place and start skating again when the whistle blows for this two-on-one break we messed up".


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 Post subject: Re: GM Meeting notes
PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:20 pm 
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
How and when would the challenge fit in though? Nullify a penalty? Challenge a goal/no goal review even though officials in Toronto give a final ruling? How can you review an offside call anyway? Once the whistle blows they aren't going to say, "Oops, everyone back in place and start skating again when the whistle blows for this two-on-one break we messed up".


I think the challenge should be a bit like football. Give them one or two per game and they can use them for things like questionable penalties or missed penalties once the whistles calls play dead ie. like an obvious missed high stick, not some shitty hooking call. Maybe challenge a dive like Gerbe's the other night. :think:

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After (if) the NHL can ever enforce the proper level of reckless play, I would think the biggest and most beneficial change to the game would be installing cameras under the surface ice of the goal area. The way the ice is layered it could be done without any consequences. Cost shouldn't be much of an issue either since the cameras at the back of the net could just be put under the ice surface. Imagine that every goal review would ALWAYS be able to see whether the puck crossed the line. John Lennon had this line his his original song notes, but then realized it was the NHL scribbled it out.


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Yup, cameras to see the goal line view are a must. Sick of these bullshit calls.

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Don't need cameras...I'll say it again;
RFID chips in pucks and sensors along the goal line.
Inexpensive, disposable, existing technology....could be deployed next season.

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But players, coaches....everyone is not going to want to rely on what a sensor says. Everyone is going to want to actually see the puck, and have the "visual evidence" that the officials need to make the right call.


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Yeah it's tough to be able to challenge anything in a fluid game like hockey. I can see a few instances where it could be used.

-Reviewing a goal that is not applicable for war-room review (i.e. hand passes (oh wait this one already fucking happened and it was retarded), high sticks, offsides zone entries).

-Reviewing offsides/icing/puck out of play calls. (Really the only thing that can change though is where the faceoff occurs.)

-Reviewing which team's stick committed an infraction (because there's no way a judgment call should, or will be reviewed), and whether a puck deflected out of play or not.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:15 am 
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
But players, coaches....everyone is not going to want to rely on what a sensor says. Everyone is going to want to actually see the puck, and have the "visual evidence" that the officials need to make the right call.

Really?
"Everyone"?

Sorry, but the only thing flawed about making tough calls in sports is human judgement.
Removing any subjectivity is exactly what such a situation needs.

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I think we agree, that's why the visual evidence of seeing the puck on camera is better than relying on a tone or light or whatever it is that a sensor will give off. People are not going to want to rely on a tone or light, they will want to actually see where the puck was. Can you imagine a big game being decided on a sensor saying the puck was over while it was under a goalie pad or glove and nobody ever sees it and never knows for sure? I don't think the NHL or the players would go for that.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:00 pm 
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Crosscheck wrote:
Don't need cameras...I'll say it again;
RFID chips in pucks and sensors along the goal line.
Inexpensive, disposable, existing technology....could be deployed next season.



I've been thinking about the RFID option for a while now, and...while I do trust technology, and think SOMEONE could figure out a way to implement it so it's 100% accurate, I cant think of how it would actually be done, like, the nitty gritty details of when the 'trigger' would be activated, lets examine this.

Ok, so the RFID works like the alarm things in stores, those seem to be operating when the sticker is in between the two sensors, but that wouldnt work for hockey, if you put the sensors in the posts, it would trigger the alarm when the puck was only on the goal line. You also cant put the sensors a pucks length behind the goal line, because the puck could be on edge, be between the goal-line and the sensor line, BE IN, and not register as a goal. With the many combinations of flat/on edge pucks, along with sometimes traveling certain distances into the goal without being TOTALLY over the line, I'm just not seeing how an RFID system would be conclusive.

Cross, did you have a different implementation in mind? I'm having trouble imagining a way this could be foolproofedly (that's a word, right?) used.


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