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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:41 pm 
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I remember an interview (long ago) with Ruff where he said that he wants Vanek to take off a little early when they get posession in the D-zone. It's just a matter of doing it at the right time and not doing it too early.

They want Vanek to seek and find rush opportunities, that's why he always sits when they get a bench minor. If they have a 1-0 or a 2-1 at the end of a pp they want Vanek on the rush.

Vanek's job is to provide offense while not being a liability and I think he improved his defensive play and back-checking over the years to be that player.


Actually, Ennis is the one who always sits when they have a bench minor.

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Vanek sat last nght when they got the 2 min for grabbing that doods stick...

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
sabretoothpick wrote:
I remember an interview (long ago) with Ruff where he said that he wants Vanek to take off a little early when they get posession in the D-zone. It's just a matter of doing it at the right time and not doing it too early.

They want Vanek to seek and find rush opportunities, that's why he always sits when they get a bench minor. If they have a 1-0 or a 2-1 at the end of a pp they want Vanek on the rush.

Vanek's job is to provide offense while not being a liability and I think he improved his defensive play and back-checking over the years to be that player.


Actually, Ennis is the one who always sits when they have a bench minor.


Yeah, this season Ennis had to do it a lot. It's for the same reason though.

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I believe its a good thing that Vanek is not on on the Penalty Kill. I much rather have one of our gritty guys like goose or grier laying out to block shots then having one of our top scorers! It would seem rather pointless having Vanek get tired out on an almost purely defensive two min when he is known scoring

Plus you cannot blame Vanek for not being on the penalty kill you should blame the team as a whole for getting a penalty in the first place

Oh for fuck's sake, not this again


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hijack this thread, because its silly.



They redid the pilot for Archer with a raptor playing Archer's part. The entire episode, a raptor. Making only the noises that a raptor would make. No words. It's so funny.

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X-pensfan wrote:


They redid the pilot for Archer with a raptor playing Archer's part. The entire episode, a raptor. Making only the noises that a raptor would make. No words. It's so funny.



WHERE IS THIS!?

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I just saw an unaired alternative pilot of the Big Bang theory where Sheldon had sex, drank beer and danced.

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fan4life61 wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:


They redid the pilot for Archer with a raptor playing Archer's part. The entire episode, a raptor. Making only the noises that a raptor would make. No words. It's so funny.



WHERE IS THIS!?



It's an extra on the season one DVD. You mean you don't have? ;D

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ive spent the last 20 min trying to find this somewhere online lol

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AudSabres wrote:
Vanek sat last nght when they got the 2 min for grabbing that doods stick...


I think the coaches put one of the better/fresher offensive guys on the bench in the box for those penalties just in case there's a breakout going the other way right when the penalty is up. I notice Vanek, Stafford, and Ennis sitting a lot for bench minors.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
AudSabres wrote:
Vanek sat last nght when they got the 2 min for grabbing that doods stick...


I think the coaches put one of the better/fresher offensive guys on the bench in the box for those penalties just in case there's a breakout going the other way right when the penalty is up. I notice Vanek, Stafford, and Ennis sitting a lot for bench minors.


The Carolina play-by-play guys mentioned that very thing. It's one of the few things they said that didn't give me a stomach ache...

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To me, Vanek can be the most gifted offensive player in the league at times, and other times he can be the most invisible player out there. Did I just describe half the league? Probably.

I think the tc's post is meant to describe other elements of his game. He does not have a tough streak, like many of the captains that are listed in previous posts. Iginla, Toews, Brown etc...all have a mean streak where they will get involved.

Take last night against the Flyers for instance. Vanek will be seen as a "hero" but actually sit and watch the 1st period. He was god awful. His first touch on the puck is a wide open dump into the bench, and several times throughout the period he becomes less involved than some of the fans sitting in their seats. Too often is he just caught sitting there, watching the play instead of putting a body on someone. He'll instead put a little slash on a player instead of getting physical. Of course, in most of the fan's eyes, him scoring the OT goal would just erase everything he had done in the game. (Not saying he was not good last night, he almost set Pommers up for like 2-3 goals)

Most captains in the league will have enough confidence to do certain things, like push a player back or construct a vendetta against a certain player or team.

But there are certain elements to his game that do need fixing/adjusting. He is not a god and can sometimes be as much as a non factor as he is a factor. The same people that blame people for "blindly" saving face for Miller are the same who worship Vanek.

This guy is ok on the defensive side. He is not above average just because his offense is. That doesn't somehow compensate. How is it that he has played all but 1 game this season but has the lowest total blocked shots AND hits out of any forward that has played a good amount of time?

In my opinion, he's never had a better season. In years past, he's had trouble following his player and staying relevant 5 on 5. He wasn't creating players for anyone, just finishing plays created by other players into a wide open net. Flash forward to this season and he has 41 assists. He seems to be able to create plays and is far ahead the leading point leader on the team.

I think sometime Vanek "fans" are too "He's just god rawrrrr" instead of looking at elements of each player's game. Apparently players can only be demi gods or they suck. To me, that's not the case. My favorite Sabre is Ryan Miller and I truly believe he is one of the best goalies in the world but oh god has he had some rough games this season.

Got to have an open mind to it.


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I'm at the point where Vanek is what he is. Sometimes he's great, other times I give him a lot of trash.

But I'll tell you what; I shit my pants when I saw him limping down the hallway last night thinking he was injured.

That's when I realized how much I believe he's really important to this team.

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Jesus.

Vanek scores 40 goals,isn't defensively responsible : "Well he doesn't backcheck and is lazy, so he's no good."

Vanek scores 30 goals, but plays a much more complete game : "Well, he's not scoring enough, so he's no good.

This is moronic. Some of you people will never be satisfied with anything the guy ever does. It's a joke.

Vanek is going to drop 30, and is playing great hockey every time he sees the ice lately. What more do you want?


They want the 2006 numbers....even though the game has tightened up and this team doesn't really have another superstar skater on it. Been a Vanek fan from day one. Can't stand all the crap he's taken. I remember that article that came out after the Bruins cheapshotted his playoffs away from him which listed all the injures he dealt with all season. What else could anyone want from this guy???

He doesn't backcheck according to some people? I have never gotten this point. He definitely does...he's like inside 5 feet from the opponent's net 80% of the time and getting mugged by one and usually more opponents. When Roy or Connolly bounces the puck off a skate ...Vanek's supposed to be the first one back? WTF!

When he's not 5 feet from the net, is there a Sabre that skates harder to the net than Vanek does? I think Thomas walks on water, but physics is bitch. That's one long ass backcheck to make usually through 1 or 2 sticks and a bump and cross check or 2...and he still gets back there. Still a minority (and a shrinking one) thinks he's Satan on the backcheck. Whatever.

I'd absolutely love it if he hit those 2006 numbers, but frankly 32 goals when he's not being hidden on the third line behind Briere is a fucking huge victory for him and us and some people will never get that. Could Vanek hit 40 or 50? Well look at all those skaters that do...seems to me they have a #2 guy for teams to contend with. Seriously, is Derek Roy Vinny LeCavalier, is Jason Pominville Martin St. Louis? I'm pretty certain that Vanek nets 44 goals playing with those guys. Seems to me that there's more open ice to play on when there are other superstars to take minutes against the opponent's 1st D pairing. I mean Stamkos is a great player. Vanek is a great player who doesn't fall down when the AC kicks on in the arena. Can Stamkos say the same thing? He's faster, but I'll hand Vanek's hands over his.

I mean that fucking pass last night on Pominville's goal...that was Datsyuk/Oates good. Have any of these haters noticed how Thomas has ramped up his physical play behind (he's not Lucic by any stretch of the imagination) the net or how ridiculous his passing has gotten? Maybe that's due in part to him not being as banged up this season. I mean I've actually seen Sabres bang into people who've run Thomas and Ryan this year....holy crap like they finally figured out the 2 guys they need to protect above all others on the roster?

If we ever got a center or another winger who could take some of the heat off of Vanek being keyed on every time he touches the puck..sick wouldn't even describe it. Sure Ennis and Gerbe are making teams focus on them, but they aren't scary enough yet. (Ennis being the exception last year in the Bruins series b/c Roy and Connolly did absolutely nothing.) How many of those like 9 posts he's hit in the last month end up in the net if he's got a little sliver more of open space?

Sorry this is long, just get amped up when it comes to Vanek.

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Markus wrote:
To me, Vanek can be the most gifted offensive player in the league at times, and other times he can be the most invisible player out there. Did I just describe half the league? Probably.

I think the tc's post is meant to describe other elements of his game. He does not have a tough streak, like many of the captains that are listed in previous posts. Iginla, Toews, Brown etc...all have a mean streak where they will get involved.

Take last night against the Flyers for instance. Vanek will be seen as a "hero" but actually sit and watch the 1st period. He was god awful. His first touch on the puck is a wide open dump into the bench, and several times throughout the period he becomes less involved than some of the fans sitting in their seats. Too often is he just caught sitting there, watching the play instead of putting a body on someone. He'll instead put a little slash on a player instead of getting physical. Of course, in most of the fan's eyes, him scoring the OT goal would just erase everything he had done in the game. (Not saying he was not good last night, he almost set Pommers up for like 2-3 goals)

Most captains in the league will have enough confidence to do certain things, like push a player back or construct a vendetta against a certain player or team.

But there are certain elements to his game that do need fixing/adjusting. He is not a god and can sometimes be as much as a non factor as he is a factor. The same people that blame people for "blindly" saving face for Miller are the same who worship Vanek.

This guy is ok on the defensive side. He is not above average just because his offense is. That doesn't somehow compensate. How is it that he has played all but 1 game this season but has the lowest total blocked shots AND hits out of any forward that has played a good amount of time?

In my opinion, he's never had a better season. In years past, he's had trouble following his player and staying relevant 5 on 5. He wasn't creating players for anyone, just finishing plays created by other players into a wide open net. Flash forward to this season and he has 41 assists. He seems to be able to create plays and is far ahead the leading point leader on the team.

I think sometime Vanek "fans" are too "He's just god rawrrrr" instead of looking at elements of each player's game. Apparently players can only be demi gods or they suck. To me, that's not the case. My favorite Sabre is Ryan Miller and I truly believe he is one of the best goalies in the world but oh god has he had some rough games this season.

Got to have an open mind to it.


1. Not having to take his ques from Roy has shown us what he can do. There is no way even to debate that playing with the puck.turnover hog stifled Vanek's game.

2. Vanek sets up in front of the net and gets banged on. Isn't it the other skaters job to bang behind the boards and feed him the puck out front. So wouldn't his # of hits be lower?

3. Heaven forbid your best offensive player not block a ton of shots. Heaven forbid your best offensive player not deliver a ton of hits. I mean do the Flyers depend on Briere hitting and blocking shots, do the Lightning depend on Stamkos to do this? Sure Vanek's bigger than those two..but does that mean he's got to be the thumper and blocker as well?

I just don't get why Vanek is supposed to be the best at every statistical category and why people seem to use this logic to dog him.

Do these people who dog Vanek ever watch other teams play? I mean even Crosby, Toews, Malkin and Ove are guilty of not being the best player on the ice on a given night. Hell Datsuyk was brutal last night. Seems that even Sabres fans are more willing to give those players a pass than Vanek.

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Oh I wasn't poking fun at him I was just mentioning what the tc was talking about. And I never said he should be the best at those categories.


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Markus wrote:
Oh I wasn't poking fun at him I was just mentioning what the tc was talking about. And I never said he should be the best at those categories.


My bad, I just don't get why people still give the "Kotalik" mantle. It seems there's always 1 player on this team that has to be in the doghouse.

I'm guilt of it too, but why certain people pick Vanek is beyond me...

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