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DieHardFan
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Well, the last game of the season I got the CBJ broadcast on CenterIce (so most of you would have missed this).
One of their announcers mentioned he had a chat with Lindy before the game and one of the things Lindy mentioned was since Pagula took over almost all of the UFA's and RFA's have mentioned they don't want to leave and cited new ownership as the reason.

You can't say he hasn't had an effect on the players.


Again, I think you look at the stellar play of the youngest guys as being the most instrumental in the turn-around. It's hard for me to imagine that fresh faced rookies and 2nd year players who are fighting for their careers are going to be influenced to play better and harder because a new owner steps in.


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Again, I think you look at the stellar play of the youngest guys as being the most instrumental in the turn-around. It's hard for me to imagine that fresh faced rookies and 2nd year players who are fighting for their careers are going to be influenced to play better and harder because a new owner steps in.


The statistics say otherwise. I didn't think it had that big an effect either, but it obviously has.


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Yeah, but you know as well as I do that any correlation could be random. Kinda like saying that Derek Roy's injury made the team better, or the new carpet in the locker room did the trick. We witnessed the team starting to play well right after Christmas, and most likely, the confidence generated at that time, along with the desperation of knowing that almost every game was a "must win" parlayed into an amazing run to finish the year.


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but I'm not talking about whatever our speculations are....I'm talking about a quote from Lindy.

The coach said new ownership has had an impact.

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DieHardFan wrote:
Yeah, but you know as well as I do that any correlation could be random. Kinda like saying that Derek Roy's injury made the team better, or the new carpet in the locker room did the trick. We witnessed the team starting to play well right after Christmas, and most likely, the confidence generated at that time, along with the desperation of knowing that almost every game was a "must win" parlayed into an amazing run to finish the year.


That's a fair point.

But, as XC said, I'll take Lindy's word for it.


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Crosscheck wrote:
but I'm not talking about whatever our speculations are....I'm talking about a quote from Lindy.

The coach said new ownership has had an impact.


You can't believe everything Lindy tells you :P

Seriously, though, I wonder if (and obviously still an unlikely "if") the Sabres were to win the cup this year, if it would be a little bittersweet and anticlimactic for Terry, with the team achieving the greatest accomplishment before he puts his stamp on the team. Let's hope he has to deal with that problem.


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DieHardFan wrote:
Yeah, but you know as well as I do that any correlation could be random. Kinda like saying that Derek Roy's injury made the team better, or the new carpet in the locker room did the trick. We witnessed the team starting to play well right after Christmas, and most likely, the confidence generated at that time, along with the desperation of knowing that almost every game was a "must win" parlayed into an amazing run to finish the year.


So it was Santa then? Not BTG, not Pegula, and not Roy's injury. It was Santa. :D

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The new energy and change in attitude that the Pegula has generated is also a large part to why this team battled back into the playoffs.

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The coach said new ownership has had an impact.

Vanek has said this as well (in his blog).

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DieHardFan wrote:
Seriously, though, I wonder if (and obviously still an unlikely "if") the Sabres were to win the cup this year, if it would be a little bittersweet and anticlimactic for Terry, with the team achieving the greatest accomplishment before he puts his stamp on the team. Let's hope he has to deal with that problem.


Uh, Terry Pegula has put a bigger stamp on this team and franchise in 6 weeks than BTG ever did.


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Squanto wrote:
DieHardFan wrote:
Seriously, though, I wonder if (and obviously still an unlikely "if") the Sabres were to win the cup this year, if it would be a little bittersweet and anticlimactic for Terry, with the team achieving the greatest accomplishment before he puts his stamp on the team. Let's hope he has to deal with that problem.


Uh, Terry Pegula has put a bigger stamp on this team and franchise in 6 weeks than BTG ever did.

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Crosscheck wrote:
Well, the last game of the season I got the CBJ broadcast on CenterIce (so most of you would have missed this).
One of their announcers mentioned he had a chat with Lindy before the game and one of the things Lindy mentioned was since Pagula took over almost all of the UFA's and RFA's have mentioned they don't want to leave and cited new ownership as the reason.

You can't say he hasn't had an effect on the players.


I remember hearing that, and I really, truly believe it. You can see it by the way they're playing. I mean hell, look at Tim Connolly circa 2006 that we've seen for last month or so...

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you're kidding, right? with as much political knowledge as you have you don't think a factor in him purchasing the sabres wasn't because he was trying to start his political career? come on. i'm not saying that was the tipping factor, but it certainly made the decision easier.


Golisano ran for governor in 94,98 and 2002.

He bought the Sabres in 03, and hasn't run for political office since. He was recruited to run when Pataki left, but refused to do so.

His political career, at least in the context of getting elected to something, started and ended before he bought the team. He did not buy the Sabres to help him get elected to anything.


That makes no sense. He did buy the Sabres to help him in his political career. Like obviously the "No-Brain" voters would probably vote for a guy with a headline of "Golisano saves Sabres..." It's all a political game my friend.

If it had nothing to do with politics then Golisano would still be the owner of this franchise.

And if politics had nothing to do with we'd be cheering for the Hamilton Sabres?


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I'll say it again. How does this team get blasted after the Boston series, have cap room but watch the organization lose important players and have a pissing match with another over 200k, and come into this season with very much motivation? Why should they totally commit to winning when they know the owner is not?

This team started to turn it around in December, which is also when just the Pegula rumors were starting. The young d-men started to figure things out, but the whole team get energized when Pegula was just a rumor. They got better and better as the sale got closer, and have hit the roof since the sale took place.

It's really a great case study on team morale, and vindicates Darcy/Ruff to some extent.


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This is a great topic. I think there are a lot of factors.
1) IN years past, I have wailed against the bricks on how Lindy shuffles his lines, like, he gives up too quickly on his line combinations. That didn't happen so much this year, so I think players had a better chance to gel with their line-mates. Even when he did do some shuffling, he usually went back, ala Pommers - Vanek - Connelly.

2) I hate to use the term "The players bought into the system", but they did. They stuck with what was being coached to them and the system started to work. Shooting everything at the net, keeping more shots form the outside and less from in close.

3) A lot of the young guys had been up in previous years for some games and I think they had a better grasp on the NHL game this year. There is really not so many new faces on the team, so chemistry has to be stronger than in the past.

4) A HELL of a lot less injuries this season than we've seen in the past.

5) Discipline. This team has shown us a lot of discipline in how they approached every aspect of the season, from the game plan, to adversity, to the playoff run, they have been more like a machine than I've seen in years.

6) Perception. And that is where Terry came in, guaranteeing Lindy and Darcy would be staying here, that Buffalo would become the place to play in the NHL, his obvious love for the game and the team, and his excitement, and having been in sales for a long time, positive attitudes, excitement, love for the product you represent is contagious.

If my boss walked in tomorrow and announced we would be upgrading all of our equipment, that pay scales were not going to be slashed, like they are, and that he was going to invest in making us the best marketing company in the region, I bet everyone at my job would feel invigorated.

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Jammerz04 wrote:
That makes no sense. He did buy the Sabres to help him in his political career. Like obviously the "No-Brain" voters would probably vote for a guy with a headline of "Golisano saves Sabres..." It's all a political game my friend.

If it had nothing to do with politics then Golisano would still be the owner of this franchise.

And if politics had nothing to do with we'd be cheering for the Hamilton Sabres?


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Jammerz04 wrote:
Squanto wrote:
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you're kidding, right? with as much political knowledge as you have you don't think a factor in him purchasing the sabres wasn't because he was trying to start his political career? come on. i'm not saying that was the tipping factor, but it certainly made the decision easier.


Golisano ran for governor in 94,98 and 2002.

He bought the Sabres in 03, and hasn't run for political office since. He was recruited to run when Pataki left, but refused to do so.

His political career, at least in the context of getting elected to something, started and ended before he bought the team. He did not buy the Sabres to help him get elected to anything.


That makes no sense. He did buy the Sabres to help him in his political career. Like obviously the "No-Brain" voters would probably vote for a guy with a headline of "Golisano saves Sabres..." It's all a political game my friend.

If it had nothing to do with politics then Golisano would still be the owner of this franchise.

And if politics had nothing to do with we'd be cheering for the Hamilton Sabres?


GO SABRES!!!


Jammerz, he means Golisano didn't buy the team to boost his political career because he hasn't been involved in a political career since he has bought the Sabres.

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fly as hale wrote:
The new energy and change in attitude that the Pegula has generated is also a large part to why this team battled back into the playoffs.

Crosscheck wrote:
The coach said new ownership has had an impact.

Vanek has said this as well (in his blog).


No, it's not a large part. It's a small part. Lindy never said that Pegula's coming to town provided the major impetus in transforming a bunch of underachieving bottom dwellers into a playoff team. You really think Lindy, Vanek, Pominville, and Miller woke up one morning in February and said - "hey, Terry Pegula wants to win a cup and said money is no expense, so let's actually start playing like we care." These guys have already been rewarded beyond their wildest dreams, and if they didn't care about putting their best game on the ice until Pegula signed on, then shame on them. This team has gained confidence through good coaching, hard work, and the steady improvement of the young guys. A guy who's 20 or 21 years old isn't gonna give a flying piss who the owner is. He's battling for his life and livelihood. And anyone who's watched the last 4 months can appreciate taht the play of Gerbe, Ennis, Enroth, Weber, and Mancari has just as much, if not more, to do with this team's turnaround as the contributions of Connolly, Pominville, and Vanek. Let's give credit where it's due - to players and coaches who have worked their asses off for 4+ months to become a coherent hockey team with an identity. And yeah, I do think the BTG team deserves some credit for whatever milestones they achieve this year.

Terry will, no doubt, make his mark on this team, and we're all excited about the future of the franchise, but this year ain't about him.


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Yikes, you are completely missing the entire point. Whatever. Not even worth it...

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Crosscheck wrote:
Well, the last game of the season I got the CBJ broadcast on CenterIce (so most of you would have missed this).
One of their announcers mentioned he had a chat with Lindy before the game and one of the things Lindy mentioned was since Pagula took over almost all of the UFA's and RFA's have mentioned they don't want to leave and cited new ownership as the reason.

You can't say he hasn't had an effect on the players.

i got that feed too and rewound it to hear it a second time. They were saying that since the change everyone on the team basically wants to stay in Buffalo. Sweet to hear.

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