"Looked fine to me. bullshit penalty." Apparently you saw it, and from previous discussions you seem to come down on the 'let 'em play" side of the issue. I lol'd because of the "bullshit' comment, but it's not worth getting bent about it. We'll find out today what the league thinks anyway.

i didn't see it when i posted that. i watched it when it got posted on the internet. typically i am more of a "let 'em play", but i think the villainous offenders should be dealt HUGE penalties, not a paltry 5 games. if your elbow is UP, then you get ten games the first time, 20 the second, and a season the third. if you clearly crush a guy from behind, 5 games, then 15 games, then a season.

it's a contact sport, stuff like this does happen and there's no way to argue otherwise. the best way to change this is to stop teaching players to drive up and across when they hit and to check the old fashioned way- across the body or use hip checks. much safer.

edit: for the record, i'm okay with interference being called and i was since i saw it.

watching sportscenter... no suspension, barnaby says.

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yup

nothing.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362743

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Worst justification I've seen yet.



What kind of logic is that? Slower hits to the head are ok, but faster ones are bad?

EDIT: Even worse is the NHL's justification that the area behind the net is a 'hitting area'.

Because concussions only happen in the neutral zone. What a joke.

i still haven't seen where his head gets hit first.

Overhead angle is clear as day to me. Shoulder to the head. But, it doesn't really matter. The league doesn't really care about this stuff anyways.

when do those players hit have to start taking responsibility for their positioning? rule 48 says the area behind the net is a hitting area, and seabrook put himself in a prone position in said hitting area.

i'm not saying it's always the "hitee's" fault, so don't spin it that way. have we moved completely away from the area where people say "keep your head up"?

i don't like to see people get hurt, but i don't want to watch euro hockey, either.

there has to be a happy medium somewhere, and i'm confused as to where that is now.

I mean, keeping your elbows and arms in are obvious, but man I think he completely forgot to bend his knees to match the height difference and holy fuck did he forget to keep his shoulder in. Ban his ass for three seasons...

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There are plenty of obvious suspendable hits and I hate them. That being said though, keep your fucking head up man. A lot of hits that would normally destroy a guy are avoided or muffled by seeing it coming and preparing for it. Also, a lot of hits that wouldn't be so bad and that are routine end up being fucking insane because the guy who gets hit isn't watching around him. Hits to the head should be adressed seriously and throw head hunsters out but sometimes bad hits happen accidentally.

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I don't disagree. I just feel like this is a perfect case where the hitter could have executed a monster hit cleanly and avoided head contact. If Torres doesn't pop up at the last second, not a jump, but going from flexed knee to straight up, he doesn't come close to Seabrook's head. Cranks him square in the shoulder, great hit. He didn't need to do that to have the same effect on the play.

Players just don't have respect for each other. They don't care if the other guy gets hurt, they just want to plaster any part of him right onto SportsCentre.

I'm not saying that you're wrong completely but it's a fast paced game man. I have a hard time laying intent on Torres. I mean, he may have straightened up because he anticipated Seabrook too or shit maybe he just did it to anticipate getting the puck...I don't know. At the end of the day though I think if the league just had a blanket rule that was clear cut then players would keep it in mind more. Like mando suspension for a head hit then pile on more games for each additional head shot. Get the guys to think about it more and maybe you'd see less hits like this....but if hitters are thinking they have to ginger around hits you may end up having puck getters paying even less attention, relying on that rule as a buffer and then who knows. I don't have the answer but I do think the mando rule would help.

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Clearer and evenly applied rules would be a nice change. No matter where you stand on the issue,that much is true.

I don't think that Torres stood up in order to headshot. I think he did it to highlight reel Seabrook. That seems to be the way people are taught to hit these days; by extending upwards into the check instead of through the player like I was taught. My view on it is that the upwards angle of attack is what's causing all these ugly hits.

lol that's one hundred and ten percent physics. i've been saying that off and on for years. that's why there's no hip checking anymore. it's all drive up and through at a 45 degree angle. not across and not through. until the changes start in the youth, there won't be any seen in the nhl.

very similar to the nfl's inability to tackle anymore.

If Raffi was a Duck, he'd have had the book thrown at him. Lucky for him he isn't, and he's on one of the league's current darling teams. I agree B. Ryan's foot stomp was a douche move, but he's never even been suspended before. Raffi just served a 4 gamer for a similar offense. Colon Stalin and his fancy title need to take a long walk off a short pier. I'd be totally fine if the league dispensed of him and Buttman tomorrow. I hate those 2.

lol the owners just signed bettman to a 5 year extension.

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Hold my beer and watch this...

cross where's the source for this?

edit: found it.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2 ... ffi-torres

Were there any videos distributed to the fans, or when were we supposed to know what the "intimate feelings of the owners" really were?? I'll guess we were to be informed sometime after "no goal". I'm also not sure if I spotted any apology in the terminology to the Vancouver Canucks on the bad call, either. Great job Mr. Campbell, as usual.

I'm really confused now...more than usual.