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CriminallyVu1gar
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:10 pm 
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Initially I would have said no. I thought it looked more incidental than anything, worthy of a minor/major and nothing more, but up[on seeing the replays it looked pretty malicious.

yes I saw the replay Richards.

yes I'm telling you that you got your elbow up.

I do happen to be an expert.

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Squanto
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He threw the elbow up in self defense. No intent to injure, no suspension. Elbows aren't weapons, the plastic covering your elbow can be a weapon if used properly. But in this situation the elbow wasn't used as a weapon adn was never intended to be used as a weapon.


This is sarcasm, right?

Richards didn't put his elbow up. He aimed it and moved it, with force, towards Kaleta's head.


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you lose all credibility because you said elbows aren't weapons. anyone who's taken one, accidentally or not, will tell you elbows are the most painful weapons on the human body.


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Squanto wrote:
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He threw the elbow up in self defense. No intent to injure, no suspension. Elbows aren't weapons, the plastic covering your elbow can be a weapon if used properly. But in this situation the elbow wasn't used as a weapon adn was never intended to be used as a weapon.


This is sarcasm, right?

Richards didn't put his elbow up. He aimed it and moved it, with force, towards Kaleta's head.


Yeah dude, watch it again. It was pretty malicious.

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sabresEH wrote:
Elbows aren't weapons...

You are so incorrect.

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Pat i agree an Elbow can hurt, but its not a weapon. When thrown at someone's face at high speeds yeah sure it can really hurt someone. But just standing there throwing it up in self protection is hardly a weapon. I've played this game for 17 years. Some of you are fans who have never played the game and are basing your reactions based on a replay.
Just let me ask you this. If kaleta threw the elbow, if kaleta was given a 5 minute major, if kaleta was suspened, would you agree with the NHL's decision?

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sabresEH wrote:
Pat i agree an Elbow can hurt, but its not a weapon. When thrown at someone's face at high speeds yeah sure it can really hurt someone. But just standing there throwing it up in self protection is hardly a weapon. I've played this game for 17 years. Some of you are fans who have never played the game and are basing your reactions based on a replay.
Just let me ask you this. If kaleta threw the elbow, if kaleta was given a 5 minute major, if kaleta was suspened, would you agree with the NHL's decision?


So you're an expert...

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Just let me ask you this. If kaleta threw the elbow, if kaleta was given a 5 minute major, if kaleta was suspened, would you agree with the NHL's decision?

Um yes. An elbow IS a weapon and it's very dangerous. I would hope the NHL would implement a no tolerance policy when it comes to hits like this, regardless of intent or injury. It's dangerous and it needs to go away.

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fly as hale wrote:
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Just let me ask you this. If kaleta threw the elbow, if kaleta was given a 5 minute major, if kaleta was suspened, would you agree with the NHL's decision?

Um yes. An elbow IS a weapon and it's very dangerous. I would hope the NHL would implement a no tolerance policy when it comes to hits like this, regardless of intent or injury. It's dangerous and it needs to go away.


Agreed, hits to the head need to be removed from the game. We don't try to judge intent with high sticking, why do we do it with other blows to the head? Ridiculous.

Phil and I were both calling for a Kaleta suspension when he headbutted Zajac early this season.

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sabresEH wrote:
Pat i agree an Elbow can hurt, but its not a weapon. When thrown at someone's face at high speeds yeah sure it can really hurt someone. But just standing there throwing it up in self protection is hardly a weapon. I've played this game for 17 years. Some of you are fans who have never played the game and are basing your reactions based on a replay.
Just let me ask you this. If kaleta threw the elbow, if kaleta was given a 5 minute major, if kaleta was suspened, would you agree with the NHL's decision?


I've played the game (poorly I might add) for almost as long. Yes, an elbow is a weapon. I've played with guys who can't play anymore because of elbows thrown in a bar league. I'm quite sure in the NHL they do more damage.

If you reverse the roles there, and Kaleta got suspended, I'm totally ok with that. That was not a self defense elbow at ALL.


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Also, elbows aren't only weapons in hockey.

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Fun fact - elbows are considered another limb in muay thai to be used in pummeling your opponent.

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Funny stuff, but that dick hit Leopold! RAWR!

I also love the leading question from whoever that was.

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sabresEH wrote:
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Gordie Howe made a living off of doing it. Mark Messier same thing. It was a hockey play, nothing more. No intent to injure which is what suspensions are based on.

if you're an athlete, you know that when you raise an elbow it's not for self defense, you're using a weapon to deter a hit or to hurt the guy hitting you. it's not like it's an evolutionary response.

messier and howe have nothing to do with the NHL since the lockout. it's a different game.

He threw the elbow up in self defense. No intent to injure, no suspension. Elbows aren't weapons, the plastic covering your elbow can be a weapon if used properly. But in this situation the elbow wasn't used as a weapon adn was never intended to be used as a weapon.



Right, and in braveheart when they raised their spears at the last second to impale the oncoming charge they were just defending themselves too. The significant difference here is that in the game of hockey you're allowed to finish your checks. If you're going to defend yourself, do it with your elbows tucked in.

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sabresEH wrote:
He threw the elbow up in self defense. No intent to injure, no suspension. Elbows aren't weapons, the plastic covering your elbow can be a weapon if used properly. But in this situation the elbow wasn't used as a weapon adn was never intended to be used as a weapon.


Get in the ring with me for 4 minutes and I'll prove this idea of yours wrong. Elbows have been one of my favorite strikes since I was about 14-15.

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Here's a little article on our buddy Richards whining like a girl.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6735 ... h-methinks

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Ew, dude, Bleacher Report.

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Ew, dude, Bleacher Report.

Hahaha I know.....but it's still funny.

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Here's a little article on our buddy Richards whining like a girl.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6735 ... h-methinks



LOL That is so funny, reading about how the Penguins Dive, but that's Flyer (whore) logic for you. If you're pointing the finger you look less guilty yourself.

You know, only a few years ago the Penguins eliminated the Flyers in playoff round and Mike Richard's did a 1 on 1 interview with a PITTSBURGH TV guy, like not even 10 minutes after he left the ice, still had gear on. He was as soft spoken and gracious as he could be, he praised the Penguins, he took accountability for himself, and he did not whine AT ALL. I literally became a fan of his, and then I guess Philadelphia and the Team Canada ego really corrupted and blew up his ego.

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LMAO, you guys blew this way out of proportion again. Boychuk's love tap last year got the same response. If used properly the elbow can be a weapon, again in this particular situation, it wasn't. If it was even remotely close to being a suspendable play, they would have talked about it today on TSN. The only incidents they talked about were Kennedy's leg kick and someone's late hit(can't remember who it was). The only people who seem to think its suspension worthy are you guys. We tend to get heated during emotional games, last year's playoffs, and the gold medal game for example. But the fact of the matter is, the elbow was never intended to injure Kaleta which is what suspensions are based on. Was the elbow a penalty, yeah, is it dangerous, yeah but not suspendable.

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