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Whatever. Apparently changing goalies to the one or sticking to the one that almost pulled wins off is bad coaching. Who is there to call up on the flyers anyways? I don't know anyone in their farm system.

The goalie situation is what he is doing right. He's going with their best option in net and that is Boucher still but he'll go with whoever the last goalie was to finish the game ad start him.

They dressed 7 dmen today because they knew the limited role pronger was in. Was that bad coaching too? We aren't coaches and we don't run an NHL team. Everyone does their own style to coach.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Whatever. Apparently changing goalies to the one or sticking to the one that almost pulled wins off is bad coaching. Who is there to call up on the flyers anyways? I don't know anyone in their farm system.

The goalie situation is what he is doing right. He's going with their best option in net and that is Boucher still but he'll go with whoever the last goalie was to finish the game ad start him.

They dressed 7 dmen today because they knew the limited role pronger was in. Was that bad coaching too? We aren't coaches and we don't run an NHL team. Everyone does their own style to coach.



It was pretty dumb not to start Boucher with him vowing to the media to play better and everything, and it was pretty dumb to call a TO so the Sabres could rest their top unit.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Whatever. Apparently changing goalies to the one or sticking to the one that almost pulled wins off is bad coaching. Who is there to call up on the flyers anyways? I don't know anyone in their farm system.

The goalie situation is what he is doing right. He's going with their best option in net and that is Boucher still but he'll go with whoever the last goalie was to finish the game ad start him.

They dressed 7 dmen today because they knew the limited role pronger was in. Was that bad coaching too? We aren't coaches and we don't run an NHL team. Everyone does their own style to coach.


Jody Shelley for one who brings everything Rinaldo does in terms of toughness, is big enough to actually use it in the NHL, and can play a much better game of hockey.

Laviolette's style is to hope the other team's defense and goaltending just dies apparently.

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The goalie situation is what he is doing right. He's going with their best option in net and that is Boucher still but he'll go with whoever the last goalie was to finish the game ad start him.


Going with a revolving door in the crease isn't doing it right. Might get you through one series, but that's about it.


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Squanto wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The goalie situation is what he is doing right. He's going with their best option in net and that is Boucher still but he'll go with whoever the last goalie was to finish the game ad start him.


Going with a revolving door in the crease isn't doing it right. Might get you through one series, but that's about it.

Boucher has played in all but one game. Bet on him starting next game also. I think we all know who is going to start next game and if they win and move on the majority of the games unless someone gets pulled.

The TO was right. Have an even mores tired group of pkers on the ice or not.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Squanto wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The goalie situation is what he is doing right. He's going with their best option in net and that is Boucher still but he'll go with whoever the last goalie was to finish the game ad start him.


Going with a revolving door in the crease isn't doing it right. Might get you through one series, but that's about it.



What about Bobrovsky? was CLEARLY not ready for NHL playoff action against the Vezina Cahmpion. If he put him back in this series is already over, 100% guaranteed. Boucher was not sharp enough in game 5 and a goalie change and some diving and illegal hand passes later they almost won. Not great coaching but I doubt they find the confidence to bring it to OT if Boucher stayed in net.

The only thing he did wrong was to not go back to Boucher for Game 6, that was fucking retard. Boucher pumped his own tires through the media, and he is an inspiration to his teammates. How a coach can't see that when I fucking can is retarded. But he finally went back too Boucher and now they have the correct goalie with his confidence back and home ice for game 7. So despite all of the goalie shuffling he only made one dumb move, but it was so dumb that I would not want him back as the coach.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
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Or maybe what coat them game five was Boucher sucking it up. Blame the coach some more you're looking like a fool. A bad coach would have been fired a good coach has a team deadlocked at 3 games from his decisions.

Your arguments on him are stupid. He has done something right or else we wouldn't be in game 7 or you'd be behind that bench instead and I obviously don't see you in the NHL coaching a team.


So how is playing goalie roulette not a knock on Laviolette?
Lavi puts in whatever goalie he thinks gives the Flyers a chance to win on a given night. So far I'd say he's been almost dead on.
How is not doing a job of managing Bobrovski's confidence not a knock on Laviolette?
Lavi obviously saw something that told him that Bob wasnt ready for prime time yet so rather than destroying the kid's confidence, he pulled him out of a situation he wasnt ready for.
How is calling up a goon and then playing him 1:56 not a knock on Laviolette?
Calling this guy up has clearly rattled you fans up, I bet it made the Sabres throwing cheap shots after whistles think twice.
How is keeping a defenseman in the lineup only to play him 2:59 not a knock on Laviolette?
Lavi is well known for playing 7 D especially when he knows it's more important for his Captain to be a leader on the bench. 7 D is smart insurance when all hands need to be on deck in an elimination game and you know one of your D isnt 100% and may not be able play much.
How is rushing back Chris Pronger only to have him be utterly worthless not a knock on Laviolette?
See above need for a Captain's leadership on the bench. The goaltending has blown so something needed to be done to settle the boys on the ice and keep them focused.

My arguments are at the very least far from stupid and many of the Flyers fans on their boards are saying the exact same things about Laviolette. The end doesn't justify the means, you can crap your way to a pleasant outcome, and the fact that this series is knotted at three games is a testament to the Flyers overall talent. They're winning in spite of their head coach, not because of him.


Why is it so hard to see beyond the blue and gold glasses that the stupid ass Laviolette who makes some unconventional coaching decisions just might be spot on since his boys got your boys to cough up a 3-0 lead and force a game 7? Looks like Lavi is out coaching Ruff again cuz if he wasn't, your boys would have had this thing wrapped up already. Ruff didn't have the balls to pull Miller after choking up the 3-0 lead, Enroth might have shut the door. The Flyers were able to claw back into the game because they found a way to make Miller human, something they couldn't do the last game when Miller stole the show.

I hate when people use the he won a Cup as proof of a good coach but in this case it applies. Lavi's unconventional but has the goods to back it up and show it works.

I would have started Boucher today myself but I'm not Lavi.


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i'm with dave. the only thing he's done that made me wonder was not starting boucher today. everything else he's done has made sense to me.

PS- dave, if you chose a brighter red, that would be nice. it doesn't show up that well on the dark blue background.


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PatGreen wrote:
PS- dave, if you chose a brighter red, that would be nice. it doesn't show up that well on the dark blue background.

Sorry about that, I was too damn lazy to copy and paste the whole thing. Will-do next time you should have seen the first color I chose :lol:


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Totally disagree.

This series is 3-3 for one significant reason.

The Philadelphia defense.

If they had even an average goaltender, this series would be over already. Buffalo's offense has been anemic. The vast majority of goals they've scored have been because of crappy goaltending.


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Squanto wrote:
Totally disagree.

This series is 3-3 for one significant reason.

The Philadelphia defense.

If they had even an average goaltender, this series would be over already. Buffalo's offense has been anemic. The vast majority of goals they've scored have been because of crappy goaltending.

I respectfully disagree. The Flyers defense looked lost at times and obviously was missing their anchor. They made a crappy goaltending situation look even worse than it was. The biggest reason the Flyers havent run away with this series is because of Miller. Miller's looked brilliant at times saving your ass and when both teams forgot how to play defense, Miller was able to tighten up his game and out play whichever goalie was at the other end of the ice. Not a tall task. Flyers found a way to get to Miller, that is all.

No offense and this is an unbiased opinion cuz I really could care less who wins this series, hell, both teams could beat each other down and it wouldn't ruin my day but whoever gets out of this round doesnt matter. Neither team is ready to win the Cup anytime soon.


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That's fair too. Miller has obviously been great, and I don't think that Philly could have done anything more in the two 1-0 shutouts.

However, They're fortunate to have spotted the Sabres a 3 and 2 goal lead in these last two games. If they had an average goalie on Friday that game never sees OT, and probably the same today.

Either way, it's game 7. It'll suck ass on Tuesday, but I love these games.


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Overall I'd say Philly is the better skilled team but the Sabres have one thing Philly doesnt, Miller. When Miller is on his game, the rest of the team can play a riskier balls to the wall type of game knowing they have a top goalie ready to back them up if they make mistakes. The Flyers had to play much tighter not knowing if their goalie had their backs.

And just to bring this whole thing back on topic, Lavi is the guy doing everything and anything in his power to keep his boys believing they can get this done regardless of who's in either net. Now thats coaching.


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Squanto wrote:
Totally disagree.

This series is 3-3 for one significant reason.

The Philadelphia defense.

If they had even an average goaltender, this series would be over already. Buffalo's offense has been anemic. The vast majority of goals they've scored have been because of crappy goaltending.



maybe but all three cryer goalies have sucked, is it the coaches job to will them not to suck? no, so u go with who sucks the least. and by applauding their defensive play you make a round about compliment too their coach because when it comes to teqm defense scheming is involved

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Laviolette's coaching is keeping the flyers in the series in the same way that Lisa's rock is keeping away tigers in the simpsons.

lisa - i have this rock, there are no tigers around, therefore this rock keeps away tigers

i have this laviolette, the series is 3-3, therefore this laviolette is keeping the flyers in the series

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Quite an analogy, sir.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Laviolette's coaching is keeping the flyers in the series in the same way that Lisa's rock is keeping away tigers in the simpsons.

lisa - i have this rock, there are no tigers around, therefore this rock keeps away tigers

i have this laviolette, the series is 3-3, therefore this laviolette is keeping the flyers in the series

Well if we're gonna use lisa's rationale, the Sabres choked up a 3-0 lead to a team that has shit for goaltending and a craptastic coach therefore.....Lindy Ruff must blow chunks as a coach since he couldn't get his boys to shut the door.

I dont really think this but it fits in to your amazing reasoning.


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iamsuperdave wrote:
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Or maybe what coat them game five was Boucher sucking it up. Blame the coach some more you're looking like a fool. A bad coach would have been fired a good coach has a team deadlocked at 3 games from his decisions.

Your arguments on him are stupid. He has done something right or else we wouldn't be in game 7 or you'd be behind that bench instead and I obviously don't see you in the NHL coaching a team.


So how is playing goalie roulette not a knock on Laviolette?
Lavi puts in whatever goalie he thinks gives the Flyers a chance to win on a given night. So far I'd say he's been almost dead on.
How is not doing a job of managing Bobrovski's confidence not a knock on Laviolette?
Lavi obviously saw something that told him that Bob wasnt ready for prime time yet so rather than destroying the kid's confidence, he pulled him out of a situation he wasnt ready for.
How is calling up a goon and then playing him 1:56 not a knock on Laviolette?
Calling this guy up has clearly rattled you fans up, I bet it made the Sabres throwing cheap shots after whistles think twice.
How is keeping a defenseman in the lineup only to play him 2:59 not a knock on Laviolette?
Lavi is well known for playing 7 D especially when he knows it's more important for his Captain to be a leader on the bench. 7 D is smart insurance when all hands need to be on deck in an elimination game and you know one of your D isnt 100% and may not be able play much.
How is rushing back Chris Pronger only to have him be utterly worthless not a knock on Laviolette?
See above need for a Captain's leadership on the bench. The goaltending has blown so something needed to be done to settle the boys on the ice and keep them focused.

My arguments are at the very least far from stupid and many of the Flyers fans on their boards are saying the exact same things about Laviolette. The end doesn't justify the means, you can crap your way to a pleasant outcome, and the fact that this series is knotted at three games is a testament to the Flyers overall talent. They're winning in spite of their head coach, not because of him.


Why is it so hard to see beyond the blue and gold glasses that the stupid ass Laviolette who makes some unconventional coaching decisions just might be spot on since his boys got your boys to cough up a 3-0 lead and force a game 7? Looks like Lavi is out coaching Ruff again cuz if he wasn't, your boys would have had this thing wrapped up already. Ruff didn't have the balls to pull Miller after choking up the 3-0 lead, Enroth might have shut the door. The Flyers were able to claw back into the game because they found a way to make Miller human, something they couldn't do the last game when Miller stole the show.

I hate when people use the he won a Cup as proof of a good coach but in this case it applies. Lavi's unconventional but has the goods to back it up and show it works.

I would have started Boucher today myself but I'm not Lavi.


Rattling the fans doesn't matter. Pretty sure no one gave two shits about little 170 pound Rinaldo who fights like a smaller Todd Fedoruk.

The situation I'm referring to, in which Syvret only had 2:59 of icetime Lavi only had 6 D in the lineup. That was game five. Carle, Coburn, Meszarod, O'Donnell, Syvret, Timmonen.

Laviolette didn't get the Sabres to cough up a 3-0 lead. They won game five in which they had a 3-0 lead, and they blew a 3-1 lead in game six.

Miller didn't choke away a 3-0 lead. Screened on the point shot on the Van Riemsdyk goal, screened on the Meszaros goal, defensive giveaway on the Briere goal. They didn't make Miller human, they exposed the Sabres defense for what it is.

I see that you're a fan of a team whose fans have a notorious hard-on for being dicks to Sabres fans at every conceivable opportunity and you chose a moment when things aren't going so well for the Sabres to make your return.

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he didn't say anything against the sabres, really. he questioned why we only see what we want to. plenty of people around the league agree with you, alex, and plenty of people agree with dave.

and i don't think anything Lavi has done has been out of the question besides starting leighton. a lot of the talking heads acknowledge he's done some weird things, but that's Lavi's m.o. which i think you may be ignoring. the dude makes his living on being unconventional.

look at philly's last 25 games compared to buffalo's last 25. he's clearly doing something right, because if he didn't change things, we would have steamrolled them. we've been the much better team since mid february and anyone will tell you that you can't just "turn on" playoff mode. play hard going in or get smoked.


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PatGreen wrote:
he didn't say anything against the sabres at first.

and i don't think anything Lavi has done has been out of the question besides starting leighton. a lot of the talking heads acknowledge he's done some weird things, but that's Lavi's m.o. which i think you may be ignoring. the dude makes his living on being unconventional.

look at philly's last 25 games compared to buffalo's last 25. he's clearly doing something right, because if he didn't change things, we would have steamrolled them. we've been the much better team since mid february and anyone will tell you that you can't just "turn on" playoff mode. play hard going in or get smoked.


Starting Leighton was a head scratcher, especially after Leighton shit on his D after game five. That was the exact scenario I was hoping for.

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