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 Post subject: Re: Blame Who You Will
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:00 pm 
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I can't really blame anyone in particular. The team just isn't a playoff team let alone Cup team yet. Meh, see what happenes come July.

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im going to say it. but read the whole post.

if i were darcy, id dangle miller out there this summer. i mean, i wouldnt trade him unless the oilers offered up their first overall (never happen) or anahiem said, here, take ryan getzlaf, or a younger, elite player in return. but i'd see what was what on the landscape.

by no means do i blame miller for the series, and i do believe he is an elite goalie. but if you somehow get a younger, impact player in return...

of course, this will never happen, nor do i want it to happen.. im just thinkin out loud, i guess.

flame away!

Nothing wrong with exploring all your options. The guy is a top ten, maybe top 5 goalie, but he ain't Hasek. If you can make the team better by trading Miller, then by all means do it.

Having said that though, if they did trade Miller, they wouldn't be able to find a goalie that's a better value as far as cap hit IMO.

Of course I'm sure that's not what you're saying. You're saying that you'd be willing to see the Sabres' goaltending become worse if that meant that another aspect of the team improved more than the amount they would lose in goaltending. Nothing wrong with that. I just don't know if it's possible or at least very probable that that would happen.


heres my thought. im not saying enroth is the answer, nor should he be given that opportunity. but say edmonton called up and said, yo, we want miller, heres the first overall pick. and the sabres draft nugent hopkins (kids supposed to be yowza awesome), you now have a GREAT core in place for the future, as well as now. but who plays goal? there are several UFA options (vokoun being one) who could tend net a few years at a great clip, while enroth gets work as back up, and maybe the sabres draft a goalie who will be another miller.

i mean, a pipe dream, for sure... but who knows?

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Didn't feel stafford was that bad in spite of one goal. Never thought the 31 goals was indicative of his goal scoring talent.

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 Post subject: Re: Blame Who You Will
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:22 pm 
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
im going to say it. but read the whole post.

if i were darcy, id dangle miller out there this summer. i mean, i wouldnt trade him unless the oilers offered up their first overall (never happen) or anahiem said, here, take ryan getzlaf, or a younger, elite player in return. but i'd see what was what on the landscape.

by no means do i blame miller for the series, and i do believe he is an elite goalie. but if you somehow get a younger, impact player in return...

of course, this will never happen, nor do i want it to happen.. im just thinkin out loud, i guess.

flame away!

Nothing wrong with exploring all your options. The guy is a top ten, maybe top 5 goalie, but he ain't Hasek. If you can make the team better by trading Miller, then by all means do it.

Having said that though, if they did trade Miller, they wouldn't be able to find a goalie that's a better value as far as cap hit IMO.

Of course I'm sure that's not what you're saying. You're saying that you'd be willing to see the Sabres' goaltending become worse if that meant that another aspect of the team improved more than the amount they would lose in goaltending. Nothing wrong with that. I just don't know if it's possible or at least very probable that that would happen.


heres my thought. im not saying enroth is the answer, nor should he be given that opportunity. but say edmonton called up and said, yo, we want miller, heres the first overall pick. and the sabres draft nugent hopkins (kids supposed to be yowza awesome), you now have a GREAT core in place for the future, as well as now. but who plays goal? there are several UFA options (vokoun being one) who could tend net a few years at a great clip, while enroth gets work as back up, and maybe the sabres draft a goalie who will be another miller.

i mean, a pipe dream, for sure... but who knows?

What I don't like about your scenario here is that they'd be trading a known quantity (Miller) for an unknown one(#1 pick). Not to mention that if the player coming in return for Miller is that young, it may take years for the effect of that pick to be felt on the ice. By that time, maybe Vanek, Roy, Myers, Ennis etc. are no longer a "young core". No, I'd be willing to see Miller traded, but I'd want an immediate impact in return.


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 Post subject: Re: Blame Who You Will
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:26 pm 
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
im going to say it. but read the whole post.

if i were darcy, id dangle miller out there this summer. i mean, i wouldnt trade him unless the oilers offered up their first overall (never happen) or anahiem said, here, take ryan getzlaf, or a younger, elite player in return. but i'd see what was what on the landscape.

by no means do i blame miller for the series, and i do believe he is an elite goalie. but if you somehow get a younger, impact player in return...

of course, this will never happen, nor do i want it to happen.. im just thinkin out loud, i guess.

flame away!

Nothing wrong with exploring all your options. The guy is a top ten, maybe top 5 goalie, but he ain't Hasek. If you can make the team better by trading Miller, then by all means do it.

Having said that though, if they did trade Miller, they wouldn't be able to find a goalie that's a better value as far as cap hit IMO.

Of course I'm sure that's not what you're saying. You're saying that you'd be willing to see the Sabres' goaltending become worse if that meant that another aspect of the team improved more than the amount they would lose in goaltending. Nothing wrong with that. I just don't know if it's possible or at least very probable that that would happen.


heres my thought. im not saying enroth is the answer, nor should he be given that opportunity. but say edmonton called up and said, yo, we want miller, heres the first overall pick. and the sabres draft nugent hopkins (kids supposed to be yowza awesome), you now have a GREAT core in place for the future, as well as now. but who plays goal? there are several UFA options (vokoun being one) who could tend net a few years at a great clip, while enroth gets work as back up, and maybe the sabres draft a goalie who will be another miller.

i mean, a pipe dream, for sure... but who knows?

What I don't like about your scenario here is that they'd be trading a known quantity (Miller) for an unknown one(#1 pick). Not to mention that if the player coming in return for Miller is that young, it may take years for the effect of that pick to be felt on the ice. By that time, maybe Vanek, Roy, Myers, Ennis etc. are no longer a "young core". No, I'd be willing to see Miller traded, but I'd want an immediate impact in return.


i think he very well could be an immediate impact. but vanek, roy arnt young anyways anymore. but say in 2 years when the nugent hopkins is really hitting his stride, ennis is 24, myers 23, kassian 22, enroth 24...

thats just how i feel.

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 Post subject: Re: Blame Who You Will
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:37 pm 
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Yeah there's a fine line between "young and full off potential" and "over the hill", and sometimes guys go right from one to the other before you know it. I remember the Blue Jays' pitching rotation from about 10 years ago was always called young and full of potential. Halladay, Escobar, Chris Carpenter. Only Halladay ever really lived up to that potential. "Potential" is the building-block of many an overrated team. So I'm really hesitant to say go ahead and trade a core player for a prospect of any sort, unless it's an absolute can't-miss prospect like a Crosby or Stamkos.


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 Post subject: Re: Blame Who You Will
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:40 pm 
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Yeah there's a fine line between "young and full off potential" and "over the hill", and sometimes guys go right from one to the other before you know it. I remember the Blue Jays' pitching rotation from about 10 years ago was always called young and full of potential. Halladay, Escobar, Chris Carpenter. Only Halladay ever really lived up to that potential. "Potential" is the building-block of many an overrated team. So I'm really hesitant to say go ahead and trade a core player for a prospect of any sort, unless it's an absolute can't-miss prospect like a Crosby or Stamkos.


i hear ya, and thats fair enough. i guess we should agree to disagree on ryan nugent hopkins. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Blame Who You Will
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:44 pm 
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I'd take a Getzlaf-level player in return tough. So we don't disagree on the basic strategy.


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 Post subject: Blame Who You Will
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:29 pm 
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Like others have said I think it's hard to peg it on one player. We lost as a team.

The one thing ill say is out disadvantage is are players worth their keep?

Connolly worth it? Pommers?

As Robert said a couple years ago, how do players get those sort of contracts?

Good thing that was old ownership. Hopefully we don't sign Timmy for anything over 2.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:56 pm 
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Have you considered that we should not sign Timmy at all, due to his concussion history? It was pointed out to me today that Buffalo did that to LaFontaine- refused to let him play again. No one wanted to see him come to a terrible end wearing a Sabres sweater. Perhaps we should consider Timmy in the same light. Don't "not" resign him because his play is weak, but because the next hit could be his last & we don't want that on our conscience. :think:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:08 pm 
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I really hope we don't re-sign Connolly at any price. I've been in his corner most of his career, but not the last 2 years.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:31 am 
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I really hope we don't re-sign Connolly at any price.

I'm making a edit of this post to include only the most important part.


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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Didn't feel stafford was that bad in spite of one goal. Never thought the 31 goals was indicative of his goal scoring talent.


I just thought with him scoring all those goals I thought they finally had a guy they could lean who is not vanek but I was wrong.

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BagBoy wrote:
I really hope we don't re-sign Connolly at any price. I've been in his corner most of his career, but not the last 2 years.


His career is most likely over, too many headshots.

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