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The "reviews' on Google Maps of Bin Laden's compound are downright hilarious.

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=9 ... 0&t=h&z=19


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The "reviews' on Google Maps of Bin Laden's compound are downright hilarious.

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=9 ... 0&t=h&z=19

omg hahahahaha

ETA: I think this one is my favorite: Couldn't get a good night's sleep. Teenagers playing Call of Duty WAY too loud last night.

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WH statement just said that two couriers were killed on the lower level along with a woman was caught in the crossfire. Bin Laden was found in the upper floor with family. His wife rushed the seal team and was shot in the leg, then Bin Laden resisted, was shot and killed. It is being reported that he was not armed. They did not elaborate on "resisted."

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Hearing that the White House will release at least one death photo of bin Laden to the public.

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Bin Laden was found in the upper floor with family. His wife rushed the seal team and was shot in the leg, then Bin Laden resisted, was shot and killed. It is being reported that he was not armed. They did not elaborate on "resisted."

Do you think maybe the SEALs' orders were to execute him, period? Forget capturing him, even if he doesn't resist, just kill him. You could argue this is immoral or unethical, but for me national security is no place for ethics or morals!!! Charlie Sheen could tell you the only thing that matters in national security is WINNING!!!
Seriously though, if we had taken him prisoner, it would have been a nightmare. Better than him still being loose, but a nightmare nonetheless. Where do we keep him? How do we try him? His followers would consider him a living martyr. The media would be going apeshit. He could conceivably still make things happen in jail, etc., etc. Now that he’s dead, we can all turn the page.
Also, now that he’s dead we have a FANTASTIC reason to GTFO of Afghanistan and Iraq. Of course, nobody ever said, “Okay as soon as we kill Osama, we’re outta Afghanistan.” But now that he’s dead, let’s go! We will say we won. The angry people in the Middle East won’t be able to stay as angry at us when we’re gone. Troops come home. We can save billions pretty quick, once we’re out. What the hell else are we going to accomplish there anyway? If we go now, it seems to me like everyone is better off with Osama dead (including his family, that ought to tell you something).
Honestly, I’m not sure putting Osama in solitary confinement for the rest of his life is a more humane way of dealing with him than putting a bullet in his brain. I doubt he suffered.

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Bin Laden was found in the upper floor with family. His wife rushed the seal team and was shot in the leg, then Bin Laden resisted, was shot and killed. It is being reported that he was not armed. They did not elaborate on "resisted."

Do you think maybe the SEALs' orders were to execute him, period? Forget capturing him, even if he doesn't resist, just kill him. You could argue this is immoral or unethical, but for me national security is no place for ethics or morals!!! Charlie Sheen could tell you the only thing that matters in national security is WINNING!!!
Seriously though, if we had taken him prisoner, it would have been a nightmare. Better than him still being loose, but a nightmare nonetheless. Where do we keep him? How do we try him? His followers would consider him a living martyr. The media would be going apeshit. He could conceivably still make things happen in jail, etc., etc. Now that he’s dead, we can all turn the page.
Also, now that he’s dead we have a FANTASTIC reason to GTFO of Afghanistan and Iraq. Of course, nobody ever said, “Okay as soon as we kill Osama, we’re outta Afghanistan.” But now that he’s dead, let’s go! We will say we won. The angry people in the Middle East won’t be able to stay as angry at us when we’re gone. Troops come home. We can save billions pretty quick, once we’re out. What the hell else are we going to accomplish there anyway? If we go now, it seems to me like everyone is better off with Osama dead (including his family, that ought to tell you something).
Honestly, I’m not sure putting Osama in solitary confinement for the rest of his life is a more humane way of dealing with him than putting a bullet in his brain. I doubt he suffered.

Phew, now you can take a breath... :lol: I was just posting what the WH said. I am with you about putting bullet in his head, no matter what happened. I doubt that was the actual order by Obama but I'm sure it was implied. I was thinking what type of reaction we would hear from that extreme minority that will demand a full investigation into the cold-blooded killing of Osama.

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Hearing that the White House will release at least one death photo of bin Laden to the public.


That's kind of sick.

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President Barack Obama has decided not to release a photo of Osama bin Laden's body as evidence of his death, an administration official briefed by the White House told CNN Wednesday.

The president was "never in favor" of releasing a photo, a senior Democratic official close to the White House said. The president noted that few credible people have questioned the death and that conspiracy theorists would not be satisfied with a photo, the official said.

Obama's position was supported by Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Democratic official said.

The president's inner circle was not happy with CIA Director Leon Panetta's remarks on the matter Tuesday, the Democratic official said.

Panetta said Tuesday that he believed a photo would be released at some point. "I just think it's important -- they know we have it, to release it," Panetta said.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... tml?hpt=T1


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I agree with the decision. For as much as I'm curious to see it, I believe it will only incite anger amongst those seeking revenge.


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BagBoy wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
Bin Laden was found in the upper floor with family. His wife rushed the seal team and was shot in the leg, then Bin Laden resisted, was shot and killed. It is being reported that he was not armed. They did not elaborate on "resisted."

Do you think maybe the SEALs' orders were to execute him, period? Forget capturing him, even if he doesn't resist, just kill him. You could argue this is immoral or unethical, but for me national security is no place for ethics or morals!!! Charlie Sheen could tell you the only thing that matters in national security is WINNING!!!

I can't remember where, I think it was in an article in the Portland paper on Monday, but I read that the objective was never to capture him, it was to kill him all along.


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Can you blame them for taking that position?

They already have a prison camp at Gitmo with prisoners of questionable status. Trying to hold bin Laden there, or anywhere, would be a nightmare, in addition to inflaming the rest of al Qaeda and probably causing more problems.

Death was the cleaner option.


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Yeah, I think the smartest thing to do was just eliminate him right away. Imagine all the problems that would have arose if we captured him and took him as a prisoner.

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Yeah, I don't blame them for that, just repeating what I read. The only benefit I could see in capturing him alive instead would be that it would make it easier to prove the truth of their operation.


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I think detaining him would have been a lot worse. I could see a lot of kidnappings and hostage situations demanding his release and such. Imagine if he escaped somehow, too.


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Squanto wrote:
Can you blame them for taking that position?

They already have a prison camp at Gitmo with prisoners of questionable status. Trying to hold bin Laden there, or anywhere, would be a nightmare, in addition to inflaming the rest of al Qaeda and probably causing more problems.

Death was the cleaner option.



As much as I agree with this, I think it was an unspoken order to kill him. Can you imagine the black eye the Obama Administration would get if they actually ordered the assassination of Bin Ladin? Especially if Wiki-Leaks got their hands on it. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but every Republican would have been screaming in fury; especially given Obama's stance on world peace. Ordering any assassination would be just an ugly, ugly mark on his resume.

Therefore I think it was one of those orders that goes something like "Go in and capture him, but keep in mind he's a dangerous man, protect your team at all costs" *wink* *wink*...basically saying yeah, go in and get him, and shoot him if he even breathes wrong.

Just the way the government tends to operate, at least in my eyes.

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As much as I agree with this, I think it was an unspoken order to kill him. Can you imagine the black eye the Obama Administration would get if they actually ordered the assassination of Bin Ladin?

I don't agree with this. He has been wanted dead or alive since day one. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with the fact that the orders were to kill him, not capture him.

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I'm sure they were aware that he wouldn't be waving a white flag, surrendering. They probably knew ahead of time they'd be walking out of there with him dead.


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No doubt in my mind. I'm just saying, knowing Obama's policies on violence, and use of force as a last resort, I just feel that he would never order a direct assassination. I'm sure as the orders are written (all US military orders have documentation), it was an attempt to seize and capture, with violence being an acceptable alternative if shown "hostile resistance"

Thats all I'm saying. I'm not saying we did anything wrong, and I think the seal teams did the right thing by taking him out, but I'm just saying that the orders were probably not a direct assassination. That could have been done with a well trained sniper from about 1.5 miles away.

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No doubt in my mind that the orders were "Shoot to kill" and nothing else.

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