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I only ever want one team to win a championship. If that team is out, I no longer have a rooting interest. I'll get to a point where I'd like a certain team to win, but if they don't it's not that big a deal.


Yea that was the post I was going to quote as well, but what Phil said also applied.

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I don't think it makes anyone less of a fan if they root for more than one team. In hockey, I pretty much exclusively like the Sabres. In football, I like the Bills and Colts. I'll root for the Eagles, too, since that's my boyfriend's favorite team.


Shouldn't it be the Redskins now?

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
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I don't think it makes anyone less of a fan if they root for more than one team. In hockey, I pretty much exclusively like the Sabres. In football, I like the Bills and Colts. I'll root for the Eagles, too, since that's my boyfriend's favorite team.


Shouldn't it be the Redskins now?


Or you can stop being a condescending prick because you hate everything about Syracuse. The Eagles are the team he follows, so what if it was initially because of Donovan McNabb when he was 11 years old? And you had to go and make a Facebook status about it? Really? You don't even know anything about his fandom and you make a sweeping generalization. Fuck that.


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Dawwww no angry people in thread with cute Kitten...wait wut?

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Wait, I think I stumbled into the wrong thread.


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backthatSASSup wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
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I don't think it makes anyone less of a fan if they root for more than one team. In hockey, I pretty much exclusively like the Sabres. In football, I like the Bills and Colts. I'll root for the Eagles, too, since that's my boyfriend's favorite team.


Shouldn't it be the Redskins now?


Or you can stop being a condescending prick because you hate everything about Syracuse. The Eagles are the team he follows, so what if it was initially because of Donovan McNabb when he was 11 years old? And you had to go and make a Facebook status about it? Really? You don't even know anything about his fandom and you make a sweeping generalization. Fuck that.


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backthatSASSup wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
backthatSASSup wrote:
I don't think it makes anyone less of a fan if they root for more than one team. In hockey, I pretty much exclusively like the Sabres. In football, I like the Bills and Colts. I'll root for the Eagles, too, since that's my boyfriend's favorite team.


Shouldn't it be the Redskins now?


Or you can stop being a condescending prick because you hate everything about Syracuse. The Eagles are the team he follows, so what if it was initially because of Donovan McNabb when he was 11 years old? And you had to go and make a Facebook status about it? Really? You don't even know anything about his fandom and you make a sweeping generalization. Fuck that.


Yeah, this is pretty much bullshit. No offense Alex, but you really do get awful judgmental about things other people like and root for if they don't agree with your perspective.


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I lol'd @ this.

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When my teams are out, or it is a sport I have no vested interest in, I just root for the best story. Underdogs FTW

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backthatSASSup wrote:
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I don't think it makes anyone less of a fan if they root for more than one team. In hockey, I pretty much exclusively like the Sabres. In football, I like the Bills and Colts. I'll root for the Eagles, too, since that's my boyfriend's favorite team.


Shouldn't it be the Redskins now?


Or you can stop being a condescending prick because you hate everything about Syracuse. The Eagles are the team he follows, so what if it was initially because of Donovan McNabb when he was 11 years old? And you had to go and make a Facebook status about it? Really? You don't even know anything about his fandom and you make a sweeping generalization. Fuck that.


Why don't you get mad at the people who were saying that Philadelphia fans are cocks throughout the playoffs. Seems like way more of a generalization what I said which was merely that I'm sick of seeing McNabb paraphernalia around because Syracuse doesn't have anything better to get excited about and can't seem to figure out which professional sports teams it's geographically closest to. Legitimate comment, which pretty much every displaced fan on here has said (in one form or another) about the teams that are prevalent in their current locale.

My comment didn't have anything to do with the quality of that fandom, so I have trouble seeing where the "you don't know him" card is applicable, nor did I actually make any sweeping generalizations in said status or the comments following (maybe about the Redskins). It's a nice assumption to make that I was somehow degrading that fandom and given my distaste for Syracuse's mangling of priorities (which is far more true than a "hatred of everything Syracuse") and perhaps contains some degree of truth if you move to college sports (as I do not understand rooting for an institution in which one never attended), but isn't accurate in this case.

It was chirping a bit (the friend I tagged in said status on FB and you here), but meant to be lighthearted and not an attack on anyone's fandom.

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Squanto wrote:
backthatSASSup wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
backthatSASSup wrote:
I don't think it makes anyone less of a fan if they root for more than one team. In hockey, I pretty much exclusively like the Sabres. In football, I like the Bills and Colts. I'll root for the Eagles, too, since that's my boyfriend's favorite team.


Shouldn't it be the Redskins now?


Or you can stop being a condescending prick because you hate everything about Syracuse. The Eagles are the team he follows, so what if it was initially because of Donovan McNabb when he was 11 years old? And you had to go and make a Facebook status about it? Really? You don't even know anything about his fandom and you make a sweeping generalization. Fuck that.


Yeah, this is pretty much bullshit. No offense Alex, but you really do get awful judgmental about things other people like and root for if they don't agree with your perspective.


I have interests and thoughts that tend to be in the minority quite often so I do disagree with people more often than most (I think anyways) so I can definitely see how it might seem that way. I know there are topics on here in which I have felt more researched than most and thus taken a hard line stance in debates, but I don't feel particularly judgmental and I often point out my inexperience in situations where it exists (analyzing hockey visually for example).

I don't try to be judgmental and have often avoided saying something "sucks," instead inserting that it "isn't my taste." Shrug, I think I go through periods where I'm pretty amicable, and periods where I'm not, just like pretty much everyone here.

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Van_Da_Man wrote:
When my teams are out, or it is a sport I have no vested interest in, I just root for the best story. Underdogs FTW


I've been conflicted this year. Sometimes I've been prone to root for the team that has been deprived the longest, sometimes for the fanbase I like better, sometimes for the team that's playing better, sometimes for the team with more likable players.

I prolly flopped back and forth a dozen times in the Washington - Tampa series. Wash hasn't won a cup in their history, but I don't really like Ovechkin. At the same time Tampa Bay has already won a cup so I don't want to see them win another so soon...BUT...I would like to see Roloson lead a team to a cup since he got hurt in 05-06. Whatever I feel, Tampa won the series and I can be okay with that for the most part.

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Why don't you get mad at the people who were saying that Philadelphia fans are cocks throughout the playoffs. Seems like way more of a generalization what I said which was merely that I'm sick of seeing McNabb paraphernalia around because Syracuse doesn't have anything better to get excited about and can't seem to figure out which professional sports teams it's geographically closest to. Legitimate comment, which pretty much every displaced fan on here has said (in one form or another) about the teams that are prevalent in their current locale.

My comment didn't have anything to do with the quality of that fandom, so I have trouble seeing where the "you don't know him" card is applicable, nor did I actually make any sweeping generalizations in said status or the comments following (maybe about the Redskins). It's a nice assumption to make that I was somehow degrading that fandom and given my distaste for Syracuse's mangling of priorities (which is far more true than a "hatred of everything Syracuse") and perhaps contains some degree of truth if you move to college sports (as I do not understand rooting for an institution in which one never attended), but isn't accurate in this case.

It was chirping a bit (the friend I tagged in said status on FB and you here), but meant to be lighthearted and not an attack on anyone's fandom.


I actually have defended Philly fans in at least one thread I can think of, I will be glad to dig the thread up for you. I just don't see why it matters what team someone follows if there isn't a local sports team. Not everyone is interested in minor league sports. I know I'm really not. And there's really nothing wrong with having pride in one's city, which you always seem to nitpick that about Syracuse fans. I know you dislike Syracuse, but you have a lot of pride in Buffalo, and that's no different for Syracuse fans. Not everyone feels its their duty to follow the team closest to them geographically, so I'm not really seeing your point about that. Look at Tom, he's a Red Sux fan. ;)

Also, some people are just die hard college sports fans. Syracuse isn't the only city where people have a huge following of their college sports teams where people aren't alumni. Again, not really seeing why that matters. It gives cities something to be prideful in and cheer about. I loved being in Syracuse during March Madness. I thought it was really fun to see the city show their pride.

To me, your comment implied that he wasn't a genuine fan of the team and that he was only a fan because of Donovan McNabb, and that he would change his allegiance depending on where Donovan ended up. You can't tell me it wouldn't come off that way, especially coupled with your comment on Facebook.

Honestly, I'm just sick of the general attitude I feel this place exudes sometimes that some fans are inferior to others simply because they don't fit into this mold of their perceived perfect sports fan.


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I actually have defended Philly fans in at least one thread I can think of, I will be glad to dig the thread up for you. I just don't see why it matters what team someone follows if there isn't a local sports team. Not everyone is interested in minor league sports. I know I'm really not. And there's really nothing wrong with having pride in one's city, which you always seem to nitpick that about Syracuse fans. I know you dislike Syracuse, but you have a lot of pride in Buffalo, and that's no different for Syracuse fans. Not everyone feels its their duty to follow the team closest to them geographically, so I'm not really seeing your point about that. Look at Tom, he's a Red Sux fan. ;)

Also, some people are just die hard college sports fans. Syracuse isn't the only city where people have a huge following of their college sports teams where people aren't alumni. Again, not really seeing why that matters. It gives cities something to be prideful in and cheer about. I loved being in Syracuse during March Madness. I thought it was really fun to see the city show their pride.

To me, your comment implied that he wasn't a genuine fan of the team and that he was only a fan because of Donovan McNabb, and that he would change his allegiance depending on where Donovan ended up. You can't tell me it wouldn't come off that way, especially coupled with your comment on Facebook.

Honestly, I'm just sick of the general attitude I feel this place exudes sometimes that some fans are inferior to others simply because they don't fit into this mold of a perfect sports fan.


Well like I said, I feel a lot of the energy in Syracuse is misplaced. The Crunch are a perfect example to me. In a city like Syracuse, relatively isolated from professional sports cities, they could be billed as a main draw and I feel like they get the shaft to the university too often. The outdoor game as great an event as it was, I felt could have done so much better if the Crunch had a bit more consistent publicity. One of the reasons I chirp Syracuse fans a lot is because my best friend is a transplant living in Syracuse and is almost always willing to go at it with me (he's the guy I tagged.)

I think it's funny to point out things like the fact that SU can't even sell out the Carrier dome (when they perennially rank second in the NCAA in attendance) because it's such an inaccurate way of looking at it. (And let's be honest, with the quality of some of their opponents early in the season, I wouldn't go either.) (It would probably surprise you to know that I've been to the dome a bunch of times and never rooted against SU, either rooting for them, or rooting for myself to be entertained.)

Yeah, I'll admit I just don't get college fandom, even though I grew up in Syracuse. I like college fans because it's easy to get an entire student section going with some pretty vicious stuff (something you can't get out of a pro crowd) but for whatever reason I never really was a part of that until i went to Clarkson and started watching D1 hockey.

Nah, I figured there was more to his fandom than just McNabb, was poking for an explanation in a somewhat abrasive way. I've made the same comment to the aforementioned friend in fun knowing that he's always liked other players way more (B. Dawkins for example) and McNabb is very low on his radar. Kind of figured I'd get a similar response, though I should have worked to be a bit friendlier in my comment. :P

Like you said I have a lot of pride in being from Buffalo and I wouldn't deny that that often presents as a fan superiority complex. I don't feel much different than most other fans though since pretty much every team says they have "the best fans in the league." So maybe we all have that complex in some regard.

I think part of the problem in this thread is varying definitions of "rooting." I think some people take that to mean that Sabres fans (or any other fans) can't have a passing interest in any other team and have to hate everyone else, which I don't believe was the intent of the thread. Certainly there are plenty of reasons one team is a more palatable option for us than another and causes us to "root" for them. I think Phil is asking what people think of those that would whoop it up for a championship like it was their own for more than one team in a given sport, something I would never do. After Buffalo, St. Louis is my next favorite team in the league, but if they won the cup, I'd just be like oh that's cool and definitely wouldn't take to the streets in jubilation.

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The Sabres are my #1 team no matter what. But once they are out of the playoffs I will pick a western team to cheer for. In this case I am rooting for Nashville and San Jose. But no one trumps the Sabres.

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Caro and Alex expanded upon my thoughts the best.

It's not the bandwagoners once your team is out that confuse me, it's the people who would root for two different teams in the same league on the same level. Same highs, same lows, same enthusiasm. That's what confuses me and what I don't agree with.

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Caro and Alex expanded upon my thoughts the best.

It's not the bandwagoners once your team is out that confuse me, it's the people who would root for two different teams in the same league on the same level. Same highs, same lows, same enthusiasm. That's what confuses me and what I don't agree with.


i couldnt do that myself, though i did that in baseball and basketball as a kid. loved the pistons and the orlando magic, and in baseball it was the tigers and the mariners. (come on. ken griffey jr is my favourite athlete of all time).. of course now, i only love the tigers, and nba basketball can suck it.

now, i only love the sabres, but i root for the canucks in the west. not with the same enthusiasm, but they are my number 2. but its not even close.

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