It's not fucking nitpicking.

I had a 7&7 at the bar last night. Drank it in about 15 minutes. I go about 230. My BAC would have been .03. My friend who goes about 185 would have been at .04.

One drink.

This bullshit theory of 'it doesn't affect me' is what gets people dead. But keep on running with that if you want to.

The bullshit theory of comparing a seven and seven to a general beer is a pretty good analogy. you're talking 2-3 shots of liquor in a glass, which you pounded. since a beer and a shot of 7 have almost the same alcohol content, let's pretend that you only had 2 shots in your glass. even double the time it took you to drink them. your BAC is what- .015? that is, extrapolated, your BAC after a half an hour with two regular beers.

i said most people on 1 or two beers in the time it takes to drink them. i mean at home on a couch or on a back deck while grilling. so you're talking two blues in 45 minutes. what's the BAC on that, chief? 230 pounds, 2 beers, 45 minutes? .005?

i would love to prove you wrong with a test, but i bet that in a pre-drinking test and a post comparison to this kind of drinking, most men over 150 lbs would be within 5-10% of the testing area, which is within an error tolerance.

i'm not saying that EVERYONE CAN FUCKING DRINK THEIR BRAIN OFF AND BE FINE. or that people should drink and drive. which is apparently the point you wanted to take from my post.

my point was that the majority of people can have 1-2 beers in an hour and their testing would be within the error tolerance. the pot high takes less to start manipulating and slowing down your body than an alcohol.

ergo, a little pot is more dangerous to others than a little alcohol. yes, it's a little bit of apples to oranges. cigarettes might kill you in 30 years, but one won't hurt you or other people. one beer won't hurt you long term, and FOR THE MOST PART, is harmless in every aspect. one joint can impair you badly enough to cause an accident or something.

this is going on my assumption that a joint is typically what a person would sit down and smoke. so overall, my point is, than one joint has a bigger and longer effect on the body than one beer.

this is what makes it difficult to legislate.

I'm not making a comparative point to anything. I'm not going to bother arguing anything about pot, because I don't really care.

You said that "1-2 beers does not affect anyone". That's demonstrably false. That's my point. You can talk about error tolerances in testing all you want. Alcohol in the bloodstream has effects even in very low concentrations. There's mountains of medical evidence to support that.

(Oh, and 2 beers / 45 mins / 230 pounds is .023 , right at the line where concentration starts to become affected. Chief. )

I've said all I need to say on this.

Pat, seriously no offense but do a little fucking research. Here's just one example of estimates for BAC: http://www.breathalyzeralcoholtester.co ... estimation

I mean you don't have to search hard to find ACTUAL research so why geuss? You honestly think that drinking two beers in 45 minutes would only leave you at .005?! Sorry but that's just plain wrong. A BAC for 230 pound man who drinks two beers in 45 minutes is .02 - .03 roughly, give or take depending on outside factors. That is enough to impair judgment and make driving a not so smart choice (though below the legal limit). That chart above is an estimate so things like what you had to eat would effect it. A drink is a drink so to speak in the testing world. A standard drink is:

•A 12-ounce bottle or can of regular beer
•A 5-ounce glass of wine
•A drink of one and 1/2 ounce of 80 proof distilled spirits (either straight or in a mixed drink)

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you're right, i should have chosen my words more carefully, because

Please show me anywhere in this thread that I was comparing alcohol and pot.

Jesus christ. This place is a joke sometimes.

i'm more than willing to admit i was wrong on the drinking estimates. because i didn't want to do the research for something that really wasn't my point.

it's my fault. but does anyone contest my actual point? that pertains to this thread?

It started because Pat and I were wondering if anyone had done tests that would compare the two. It would be a really good way to get a better idea of how pot effects you at different levels...though with pot not being regulated it's hard to ctaegorize it like beer. We know a particular beer is say 4% alcohol or say 6% but what %THC is a particular type of pot? (if that's how you would measure it).

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you'd have to simulate events prior to any consumption like driving, changing a diaper, cooking dinner, etc, etc.

you'd also need a test size of about 100 people. each of those people would have to drink a little at selected intervals and then perform the tasks previously mentioned until a predetermined end point - unable to perform them correctly. or have some measurement index for completion percent or something.

then you'd have to sober them up and have them take a hit on a bong at each interval (same as the drinking) and perform those tasks until the same endpoint was reached in the alcohol subtrial.

after that, it's just number crunching and graph creation that will show you if alcohol is indeed less harmless overall in the short term than marijuana- or vice versa.

edit: not to mention, it'd be a much better quality study if say...an average pot was found. one that had an "average" amount of THC content. as well as an average amount inhaled (that can be found by measuring the volume of smoke inhaled). of course, the same for beer. find an average alcohol content. volume is easier because it's a liquid.

Pat and I hashed it out. We were just on different pages.

I'm avoiding the alcohol vs pot discussion because it will inevitably include posts that say pot is a magical fruit that can give eternal life, make warts disappear, and deliver ponies wrapped in rainbows on birthdays. I just don't have much interest in debating that.

Wait...I have a birthday coming up......would def make my 32nd more memorable!

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I'm the one who drew the comparison to alcohol, but only in terms of its dangers as an addictive drug.



Alcohol addiction is far more serious than marijuana addiction. It's more harmful to both the addict and those around the addict, yet no one questions the legality of alcohol.

That's why I can't stand the addiction arguments about pot. Some people are just born with addiction problems. What they land on is anyone's guess, but in terms of what you can be addicted to drug wise, I'd love to hear someone tell me what's less harmful than marijuana.

For every cannabis "addict," there's a straight A college student, a devoted father, a local business owner, a philanthropist, an activist, a loyal politician, a police officer, a neighbor, a teacher, a firefighter, and an environmentalist -- all of which who contribute positively to our society and enjoy smoking pot.

I just don't understand why acceptance of choice is such a hard thing for people to grasp in our society.

Educate. Rehabilitate those who are genetically prone to addiction problems. And let the rest of us choose whether or not we'd like to smoke cannabis.

Liberty and justice for all.

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lol

Okay, seriously here Pat Green will have to change his name to Frank so I stop getting confused.

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PatGreen has been a member of these boards since 2006! i think not

An overstatement of the highest order.

Then perhaps we should pass a motion making it law that we must refer to you at all times as PatGreen. the other day when Phil said that "pat" had read his mind I just assumed it was me.....then I was sad when it wasn't.

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like i said before.. few things are more annoying then the "legalize it" crowd.

just legalize the shit so i dont have to hear dumbasses try to educate me on the topic. i dont care.

smoke if you want, i have a few times. its not my thing. pretty much all that happens when i smoke is i say stupid shit, and i cough alot, and i eat alot. id rather get drunk, its way more fun, but at 27, those days are going to be less and less.

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No one is arguing that.

Right, they just do it a little slower and forget shit.

This isn't really a choice issue and marijuana hardly has an image problem thanks to those god damned baby boomers and their Jerry Garcia music

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Hold my beer and watch this...

I don't think so. I know at least half of the people that I mentioned on that list personally, and I don't know, nor have I ever known, anyone that has gone to rehab for Cannabis.

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