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VanekKing
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:51 am 
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Roy is an average #1 center.. A point per game center.. The rest of our team is really good.. His production isn't going to make us not one of the favorites for the cup...

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If we watched enough other teams, we could pick apart their top centers also. We can find flaws in almost every player's game or work ethic. What counts the most is if that player contributes heavily on the ice, and Roy does both offensively and defensively. His shortcomings do not overcome the fact that he produces with the top half of centers league wide while also being a great PKer. If you don't like Roy as a "#1" center, there are really only about 15 better to choose from, so that's pretty picky.


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VanekKing wrote:
Roy is an average #1 center.. A point per game center.. The rest of our team is really good.. His production isn't going to make us not one of the favorites for the cup...


He was a point per game player for 35 games last year and a point per game player in the 2007-08 season. So in 7 seasons he was a point per game player in 1.4 of those seasons. He showed a lot of promise at being that top center as this was the first year post Drury/Briere.

The 2007-08 season was is also the season where Kotalik scored 23 goals and 20 assists, so fluke?

BUT GIVEN HIS LACK OF PRODUCTION IN THE PLAYOFFS....THAT'S THE LACK OF PRODUCTION THAT WILL NOT MAKE US ONE OF THE FAVORITES FOR THE CUP.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:29 am 
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OldTimeHockey wrote:
Nuthatch wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I'm guilty of this also, but the way Ruff handles the lines, using the terms "#1" and "#2" doesn't really mean much......
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Regardless of the numbers though, Roy and Leino don't have to be penciled in as #1 and #2, they just have to center a scoring line and produce with their linemates. Each scoring line will get about the same minutes, and likely get jumbled up on a regular basis anyway since Ruff can't stick to any combination for more than two games. Roy doesn't have to pair with Vanek if they each produce or play better apart, and which "number" line they play on really won't matter.


That's my thought, too. Line #1 or #2 are just designators anyway. It's going to make more sense (to me) if we go back to scoring by committee. Let the other teams worry about covering our "best" line. Whatever. We'll score with the "other" guys. :)


You don't have a line that's making $6.3M + $4.5M (Leino and Roy make about the same) + $4M so the "other guys" on other lines can score goals. The cap is $64M, the Sabres have about $15M in cap in that one line...it better score and score often.

Unless Roy can be okay with Vanek carrying the puck, Leino is the guy to center his line.


I tend to agree with this point. Although Ruff may never refer to them as a number one line, with the type of money tied up in Vanek, Roy and whoever else plays on that line, you'd expect big time contributions. I think there is something to be said for the "you make the big money, play like a big player" argument

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SabresBillsFan
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I like Roy alot he came out here to Las Vegas about a year ago for Jerry Bruckheimers hockey tournament and the guy is just freaking amazing with the puck. Everybody watching was really in awe with what he can do. I like the guy I just think he needs to shoot more.


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I like Roy well enough. It's true he can hang on to the puck too much, and that may detract from Vanek's game. I think Roy has performed in the playoffs in the past. '07-'08 was just not a good year. Is Roy a bonafide point per game player? No, but he's not far off. And he does play well on the PK. With Roy as my #1, I want a really good #2. If I get a dynamite #1 center, I'm not as worried if my #2 is so-so.

Perhaps having a 1A and 1B instead of a 1 and 2 would be best with next year's squad. I don't prescribe to the minutes are dictated by the salary argument. If the salary is not in line with the player's abilities, don't compound the error by giving minutes out that do not maximize your team's effectiveness. If putting Vanek on the 4th line improves the team, that's what I'm doing, to hell with how much anybody makes.

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I don't prescribe to the minutes are dictated by the salary argument. If the salary is not in line with the player's abilities, don't compound the error by giving minutes out that do not maximize your team's effectiveness. If putting Vanek on the 4th line improves the team, that's what I'm doing, to hell with how much anybody makes.


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Hammygoodness wrote:

Perhaps having a 1A and 1B instead of a 1 and 2 would be best with next year's squad. I don't prescribe to the minutes are dictated by the salary argument. If the salary is not in line with the player's abilities, don't compound the error by giving minutes out that do not maximize your team's effectiveness. If putting Vanek on the 4th line improves the team, that's what I'm doing, to hell with how much anybody makes.

Ham



agreed.


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