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Which Two Cities Should Get an Expansion Team?
Seattle 32%  32%  [ 17 ]
Minneapolis 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Milwaukee 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
Quebec City 40%  40%  [ 21 ]
Austin 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Cleveland 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Cincinnati 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Anchorage 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Indianapolis 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Other (explain) 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
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ironyisadeadscene
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baseball is played every day, and alot of those games are on weekday nights, not that hockey doesnt have weekday games, but baseball is a little different.

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Québec City: Canada can support eight NHL teams. Another team in Québec brings competition for the Habs.

Atlanta: Atlanta can host a team and has the facilities to accommodate one. The problem with the then-Thrashers was ownership unwilling to invest in the team. This caused the exodus of two franchise players, continued losing seasons, and a relocation angering many NHL fans. Think of Atlanta Spirit as Golisano/Quinn at their very worst.

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Québec City: Canada can support eight NHL teams. Another team in Québec brings competition for the Habs.

Atlanta: Atlanta can host a team and has the facilities to accommodate one. The problem with the then-Thrashers was ownership unwilling to invest in the team. This caused the exodus of two franchise players, continued losing seasons, and a relocation angering many NHL fans. Think of Atlanta Spirit as Golisano/Quinn at their very worst.


Why would Atlanta get another team they just lost one, and their attendance records sucked.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:03 am 
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
baseball is played every day, and alot of those games are on weekday nights, not that hockey doesnt have weekday games, but baseball is a little different.


And also twice the capacity of hockey arenas while playing a 162 game season plus the playoffs.


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Sabretooth wrote:
Atlanta: Atlanta can host a team and has the facilities to accommodate one. The problem with the then-Thrashers was ownership unwilling to invest in the team. This caused the exodus of two franchise players, continued losing seasons, and a relocation angering many NHL fans. Think of Atlanta Spirit as Golisano/Quinn at their very worst.


Hockey has failed in Atlanta twice.

Why would the NHL even remotely consider trying again?


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Markus wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
baseball is played every day, and alot of those games are on weekday nights, not that hockey doesnt have weekday games, but baseball is a little different.


And also twice the capacity of hockey arenas while playing a 162 game season plus the playoffs.


So we're all admitting that baseball has several problems it needs to address to catch up. :P

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Being that I live just outside of Seattle, I desperately want a team here. It would be a blast to be able to attend more hockey games.


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I love the idea of Québec City getting back a team, but I would also entertain the idea of Anchorage getting one. THere is no real compeition there, so the fans (could) flock to support them. travels a bitch, but

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bigC24 wrote:
Being that I live just outside of Seattle, I desperately want a team here. It would be a blast to be able to attend more hockey games.

I lived there for 4 years and think that the city could definitely hold up a good team if they would just build an arena. Plus with the Cannucks so close it would be a sweet rivalry. Is there any chance of them using the Tacoma Dome if they needed something in the short term?

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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
The more reasonable question would be which teams should be contracted IMO. When the talent level is so thin in a 30-team NHL that Tim Connolly gets paid $5 million a year, there's already way too many teams. Don't mean to rain on your parade CV, I just feel I constant need to vent about bloated salaries in a bloated league.


Almost every player in every sport gets well overpaid... We currently signed Eherhoff to a contract that'll pay him 10 mill next year NVM the cap hit but with that kind of money we could have lured in a better RFA. Tim Connolly is a good player. A $5 mill player? As of right now NO, but if you look at what he can do with Kessel he could have a breakout season next year and earn that 5 mill and then some.

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oh I forgot to ask with the whole Winnipeg situation are the Red Wings coming to EC?

Are there going to be just the 6 divisions? or is there something else planned?

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bigC24 wrote:
Being that I live just outside of Seattle, I desperately want a team here. It would be a blast to be able to attend more hockey games.

I lived there for 4 years and think that the city could definitely hold up a good team if they would just build an arena. Plus with the Cannucks so close it would be a sweet rivalry. Is there any chance of them using the Tacoma Dome if they needed something in the short term?


I had thought the same thing a while back, but I'm not sure if it would be an attractive proposition. This comes from the Tacoma Rockets Wikipedia page:

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The Rockets were granted as an expansion franchise, but low attendance forced the team to move to Kelowna, British Columbia after only four seasons, where they became the Kelowna Rockets. While the Rockets drew good crowds when they played the Seattle Thunderbirds, they did not draw as well with other teams. The Tacoma Dome was not well-suited for hockey as the risers for the seats were too shallow, making the sightlines bad for hockey.


So, I'm unsure.


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I'm not saying there aren't untapped hockey markets out there that can support a team. I'm all for ditching places like Phoenix to land a team in Quebec. But I want to see fewer teams so that the overall talent level will be higher on teams. It's too diluted now.

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The Rockets were granted as an expansion franchise, but low attendance forced the team to move to Kelowna, British Columbia after only four seasons, where they became the Kelowna Rockets. While the Rockets drew good crowds when they played the Seattle Thunderbirds, they did not draw as well with other teams. The Tacoma Dome was not well-suited for hockey as the risers for the seats were too shallow, making the sightlines bad for hockey.


So, I'm unsure.

Ha! I used to work events there with the Air Force and remember all too well how crappy some of those seats are. Man I miss living out there!

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bigC24 wrote:
Being that I live just outside of Seattle, I desperately want a team here. It would be a blast to be able to attend more hockey games.

I lived there for 4 years and think that the city could definitely hold up a good team if they would just build an arena. Plus with the Cannucks so close it would be a sweet rivalry. Is there any chance of them using the Tacoma Dome if they needed something in the short term?


i think it sucks that key arena was rebuilt specifically so that an NHL team couldnt play there.

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Right now, talking with Seattle natives, you'll generally find that people don't have a real genuine interest in having a hockey team. There are some who would like to see it, but the general population seems to give the old "I'm not really into hockey" response.

Whether this is BECAUSE they do not have a professional team is yet to be seen, but I'd be concerned about bringing a team here. I'd like to think that the city would embrace the team (and sport) much like they have with the Major League Soccer team that was brought here a few years ago. The Sounders are frequently sold out, and you see the logo and colors all around the city.


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Anchorage would be a bitch for travel but that is one place i think could support a team.

Milwaukee: Minneapolis is quite close to the wisconsin border so i don't know if the wild would be jumping for joy at a team in Milwaukee but i do know that the brewers and the Twins used to have quite the heated rivalry before the Twins got placed in the AL.

Seattle does support their football team and soccer team but they did lose their basketball team to OKC. I would check to see how the thunderbirds draw and then consider giving them a team. like you said they are close to vancouver.

Portland. Oregon would be another possible city i might add to the list. they don't have many pro sports teams but the Trail Blazers do well. One of my professors wants a team there.

Obviously Quebec City is a choice of mine as I wouldn't doubt they are hockey crazy.

I am a fan of the NHL shrinking in size though to increase the talent level of teams. Though more teams in the league has an interesting effect as well.

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psychemedisabrefan wrote:
i do know that the brewers and the Twins used to have quite the heated rivalry before the Twins got placed in the AL.

Both teams were in the AL and the Brewers were moved to the NL actually. Not sure how big the rivalry was either because they were in different divisions, the Brewers in the east and the Twins in the west.


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the NHLPA will never allow contraction. thats alot of jobs out the window.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
the NHLPA will never allow contraction. thats alot of jobs out the window.


If a team falls apart (financially) enough that the league takes them over and can't find a buyer, they will shut that team down and the PA can't say a thing about it.

The NHLPA would be hard pressed to prevent planned contraction either. They have no rights there.


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