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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:22 pm 
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
That's why an under the surface camera would be ideal, I just don't know if it's practical and cost effective.


doubtful. it wouldnt cover a large enough area, unless you used a fisheye lense.

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I can understand the plastic strip on top, so they can see the puck cross the line more clearly, right? But why make it shallower though, what's that supposed to do?

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fly as hale wrote:
I can understand the plastic strip on top, so they can see the puck cross the line more clearly, right? But why make it shallower though, what's that supposed to do?


create more room behind the net.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
fly as hale wrote:
I can understand the plastic strip on top, so they can see the puck cross the line more clearly, right? But why make it shallower though, what's that supposed to do?


create more room behind the net.

oh
that makes sense

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fly as hale wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
fly as hale wrote:
I can understand the plastic strip on top, so they can see the puck cross the line more clearly, right? But why make it shallower though, what's that supposed to do?


create more room behind the net.

oh
that makes sense


yeah, easier to clear the puck, faster wrap around.. itll improve quality of play i think.

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putting a couple pen cameras in the cross-bar that do nothing but look at the goal line will this problem..

someone has to see the puck cross the line or it not a goal..camera,Ref..If it is not seen it should not be a goal,with all the eyes on the puck these day this does not happen much..

Bugs the hell out of me when need to take 10 min. in a game to look at the puck/line with those off angle camera shots thought..A camera looking right at the line will solve this..


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Toddmh wrote:
putting a couple pen cameras in the cross-bar that do nothing but look at the goal line will this problem..

someone has to see the puck cross the line or it not a goal..camera,Ref..If it is not seen it should not be a goal,with all the eyes on the puck these day this does not happen much..

Bugs the hell out of me when need to take 10 min. in a game to look at the puck/line with those off angle camera shots thought..A camera looking right at the line will solve this..


a camera right above looking at the line is obstructed by the cross bar. i also theorize that alot of overhead cameras are off from not being moved after previous goal line relocations. personally, if these new improvements dont make a difference, just leave it alone. the amount of bad calls based on camera angles is minimal.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
the amount of bad calls based on camera angles is minimal.

Yep.

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leave some human element to the game, is all im saying.

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yes I know that one camera is above the crossbar that gives an off angle shot of the puck/goal line..That camera sucks because of it being off-angle..My idea was putting a couple pen size cameras drilled into the crossbar,looking right down at the goal line..I'm sure with todays technology there are really nice clear cameras that can be used that would not obstruct play at all..


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Toddmh wrote:
yes I know that one camera is above the crossbar that gives an off angle shot of the puck/goal line..That camera sucks because of it being off-angle..My idea was putting a couple pen size cameras drilled into the crossbar,looking right down at the goal line..I'm sure with todays technology there are really nice clear cameras that can be used that would not obstruct play at all..


but those cameras wont matter if the goalie is covering the line.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
leave some human element to the game, is all im saying.


"Leaving the human element in the game" is basically the same thing as saying "I'm ok with major fuckups happening from time to time".


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I think major fuckups are part of the game. You win some, you lose some.


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Nobody, let alone Sabres fans, should want to leave the potential of another "no goal" type of scenario in the game. All hockey fans should have a sturdy faith in the NHL to screw up yet another Cup winning goal situation.


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Squanto wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
leave some human element to the game, is all im saying.


"Leaving the human element in the game" is basically the same thing as saying "I'm ok with major fuckups happening from time to time".


not really. i dont see the need to make thing beyond complicated. cameras in the pipes wont work. cameras in the ice isnt feasible. at this point, just leave it alone.

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backthatSASSup wrote:
I think major fuckups are part of the game. You win some, you lose some.


i honestly dont recall any catastrophic errors in the NHL lately due to camera angles and such.

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Cams in the pipes would work just fine. No, it wouldn't cover EVERY situation, but they would get a lot more calls correct than they do now.

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Cams in the pipes would work just fine. No, it wouldn't cover EVERY situation, but they would get a lot more calls correct than they do now.

If you're not trying to get better, you're getting worse.


i think theyve reached the point.. where can you go now? one thing is how would you power the cameras in the pipe? and ice? cant run lines under the ice or into the posts (under the ice would require major work to the concrete floor under the ice, and you cant run power lines into the posts, obviously. batteries in the ice would SUCK, and would generate heat and thus.. melted ice. how would you get batteries into the pipes without compromising the integrity of the structure. (what powers the camera in the nets now? i assume batteries, but seeing its not PART of the net, thats easy to change)... you could have a power pack in the back of the net that runs through the posts. thats my only idea at the time.

at this point, i dont see where they can go now. and if you use 700 cameras, youd have to check 700 angles to make sure you didnt miss anything. do we want longer delays?

im happy with a confirmation line and maybe an additional camera IN the net. if you cant figure it out then, well... it wasnt meant to be.

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Put small cameras in the side posts and crossbar. Battery packs are placed inside the frame of the net to power them. Add the verification line.

For any disputed goal, go to the in-net cameras first. For the vast majority of 'did it cross the line' calls, one of the in-net cameras should have the best look. If they don't, go to a broadcast camera that does. Still no dice? Call on the ice stands.

This really isn't that difficult. All this hullabaloo about structural integrity of the nets and added delays? It's all nonsense. A couple simple minor tweaks to the system to make it fair and consistant across arenas is a huge boon for the sport.


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I work with small cameras, and I know pin cams and battery backs can easily fit inside the pipes without hurting a thing. Multiple angles won't be a surefire solution for every scenario, but it would be a great improvement over one back of the net view and one overhead view.

One at the base of each pipe, one at the top of each pipe or far ends of the crossbar, and the standard back of the net view. Pin cams would fit and all you would see is a little plexi eyehole smooth with the pipe/crossbar. The eyeholes could even be slightly recessed without affecting anything because they would be maybe half a millimeter in diameter. They really aren't very expensive anymore.


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