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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:51 pm 
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rumour has it the mother of one of the players suffered a heart attack and passed upon hearing the news. just what ive heard, take it with a grain of salt.

edit: this has some legs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Ostapchuk

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:57 pm 
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What I said before is actually true. Europe banned this plane for flying as it wasnt safe but it was okay to fly in Russia?? I wonder who the person was that made that decision.


i question how true this is. the plane was russian built, many airlines based in europe wouldnt purchase a russian made aircraft when they can purchase europe built airbus aircraft.

edit: it is true.

http://deadspin.com/5838024/doomed-loko ... y-concerns

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:00 pm 
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WARNING. the following link is to a picture that could cross peoples decency lines. and maybe its no big deal.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/russian-je ... 55142.html

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
rumour has it the mother of one of the players suffered a heart attack and passed upon hearing the news. just what ive heard, take it with a grain of salt.

edit: this has some legs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Ostapchuk

It's true. A Russian Caps prospect playing in the Q was tweeting a lot after the crash and was breaking a lot of details. That was one of them.

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Have they determined the cause of the accident yet?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:28 am 
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it hit a radar tower. guess it struggled to gain altitude.

sadly, russian planes are... not maintained well.

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German International Robert Dietrich (played for the Predators once) was on the plane as well. He had a valid contract in Germany for this season but wanted to play in the KHL. Sad.

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get the tissues ready

http://achicksperspective.wordpress.com ... ity-check/

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My day was supposed to be over a little after noon today, but as I dropped off my last client, the office asked me if I could do one more run at 2 o’clock. Being the team player that I am, I said I would. I had 90 minutes to drive back to our company lot, switch into a van and then go to the pickup. Plenty of time to stop for some lunch and mess around on my phone. Peace of cake.

After making the vehicle change, sucking down a burger and fries from BK, and washing it down with a Coke Zero, I proceeded to my pickup location, a full 40 minutes ahead of schedule. I am a happy chauffeur……….for the moment.

I locate the residence that I need to be at, but being that the pickup is at 2, and it is only 1:20, I park a couple blocks away, per usual, and pickup my Thunderbolt to check FB and do some surfing.

First check of FB is littered with numerous comments and links about the tragic plane crash in Russia. 40+ people dead. NHL players, past and present, coaches, prospects and flight crew. Very sad news. I had been reading and hearing about it, off and on, all day. The ramifications reaching virtually all parts of the hockey world, and in less than 5 minutes, ME.

After my FB pitstop, I open up the trip ticket info on my phone, to see who I am picking up. Aaaah, another Dallas Stars transfer to the airport. That explains the van. These hockey guys always have big bags because they are usually traveling overseas. The last name, one I don’t recognize. I’ll have to Google him.

The rush that comes over my body is unexplainable. I am just staring at my phone. He was on “that” plane and he is dead. I am sitting 200 yards from his house and I realize what this pickup is all about. I am about to pick up the family of this man. A family that went to bed last night without a care in the world. A family that had no plans to board a Lufthansa flight to Europe when they woke up this morning. This explains why it was added to my schedule at 12:15 today. Is this for real?

It’s finally time to go down the street and pull in the driveway. Within a couple of minutes, a man comes out to let me know that the family will be out in a few moments. He alerts me to the situation, and tells me not to offer condolences because the children don’t know, and then he returns to the house. I can’t even imagine what his widow must be going through. My heart weeps for her. I am so glad this will be a short ride.

Then it happens. 2 girls, about 2 and 5 come running out the door, completely elated about the trip they are about to go on. Long blonde hair, blue eyes and giant smiles. I nearly burst into tears. My body gets tight. Every second feels like an eternity. The pain inside me is almost unbearable. I don’t even know these people and I am on the verge of a breakdown, right in their driveway. Knowing that these girls are utterly oblivious, to the true nature of their trip, is agonizing. I can’t help but think of my own children, and what it would be like if they woke up tomorrow and I was gone forever. Devastating! The wife and mother in law finally come out and we are on our way.

The entire drive the widow is on the phone. She, as well as the rest of the family, are not speaking English. Although, this would seem trivial, it is not. I don’t understand a single word she is saying, but the pure pain in her voice tells the whole story. The mother in law is keeping the kids entertained in the back of the van, while she sits up front and seems to be getting everything in order, over the phone. I sense sorrow, trepidation, confusion, and dispair. Just a few of, what I imagine have been, the many emotions that she has experienced since she woke up today. Again, my heart weeps for her.

We finally arrive at DFW airport, and a liaison from Lufthansa is waiting curbside for us, with a security escort. He “quietly” offers his condolences to the widow while the girls are still getting out of the van. Personnel grab all their bags, and they are off. Girls still giddy about the trip. I, however, am a mess.

I barely get 100 feet away from the terminal when I lose it, crying uncontrollably. I feel stupid, but I don’t care. I can’t get the image of those girls out of my head. The idea that they have no clue that they will NEVER see their father again. What’s worse, is that they probably haven’t seen him in a couple of weeks, and expect to see him when they get where they’re going. Utterly heartbreaking. What a way to end the day.

So, as I sit here recapping this gut-wrenching afternoon that I have experienced, I would like to end it with a final thought. It makes no difference to a child what happens to you when you die. They are going to be devastated either way. Just make sure they know what they mean to you. Remind them EVERYDAY. Hug them EVERYDAY. Kiss them EVERYDAY. Most importantly, love them EVERYDAY. Unconditionally. Because, you never know what tomorrow will bring.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Have they determined the cause of the accident yet?


This line of planes was banned from international use because of unresolved safety concerns, and lack of air worthiness certifications. Shouldn't have even be in the air.

We obviously should wait for facts, but I think that will end up being relevant.


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Squanto wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Have they determined the cause of the accident yet?


This line of planes was banned from international use because of unresolved safety concerns, and lack of air worthiness certifications. Shouldn't have even be in the air.

We obviously should wait for facts, but I think that will end up being relevant.


Russia (and former USSR countries) has a ton of old airplanes still flying. It's still possible that it was the pilot's fault, but chances are the age and/or the lack maintainance of the aircraft was the cause.

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Apparently they want to rebuild the team with players of other KHL clubs. A lot of players have declared their will to play for Jaroslawl right away.
I can't decide if it's bad taste to form a new team for the season.

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Personally I think they should wait until next season to play, but everyone copes differently and maybe it will help the fanbase and the league move on if they play this season.

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sabretoothpick wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Have they determined the cause of the accident yet?


This line of planes was banned from international use because of unresolved safety concerns, and lack of air worthiness certifications. Shouldn't have even be in the air.

We obviously should wait for facts, but I think that will end up being relevant.


Russia (and former USSR countries) has a ton of old airplanes still flying. It's still possible that it was the pilot's fault, but chances are the age and/or the lack maintainance of the aircraft was the cause.


Apparent recreation of the crash

http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/479438

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Crosscheck wrote:
sabretoothpick wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Have they determined the cause of the accident yet?


This line of planes was banned from international use because of unresolved safety concerns, and lack of air worthiness certifications. Shouldn't have even be in the air.

We obviously should wait for facts, but I think that will end up being relevant.


Russia (and former USSR countries) has a ton of old airplanes still flying. It's still possible that it was the pilot's fault, but chances are the age and/or the lack maintainance of the aircraft was the cause.


Apparent recreation of the crash

http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/479438


Wow, if that is a true recreation, who the fuck would build an antenna in front of a starting lane.

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sabretoothpick wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
sabretoothpick wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Have they determined the cause of the accident yet?


This line of planes was banned from international use because of unresolved safety concerns, and lack of air worthiness certifications. Shouldn't have even be in the air.

We obviously should wait for facts, but I think that will end up being relevant.


Russia (and former USSR countries) has a ton of old airplanes still flying. It's still possible that it was the pilot's fault, but chances are the age and/or the lack maintainance of the aircraft was the cause.


Apparent recreation of the crash

http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/479438


Wow, if that is a true recreation, who the fuck would build an antenna in front of a starting lane.


i dont know... i read one eye witness said the plane was clearly struggling and kind of wobbly (i assume because it hit an antenna, that damaged the aircraft before it went down.) i dunno though.

apparently the plane was 18 years old. which for an airplane is not that old. i think youd be shocked how many planes built in the 70s and 80s we still have flying under major airlines over here in the US. a properly maintained airplane can last a very long time. i doubt this one was, however.

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http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/69427 ... vedev-says

the team will rebuild and play this season.

not trying to be funny, being serious. could the sabres loan kotalik to lokomotiv? he probably wont be in the NHL, would he prefer to be in the KHL? that could be the sabres contribution.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/6942796/lokomotiv-rebuild-play-season-continental-hockey-league-president-alexander-medvedev-says

the team will rebuild and play this season.

not trying to be funny, being serious. could the sabres loan kotalik to lokomotiv? he probably wont be in the NHL, would he prefer to be in the KHL? that could be the sabres contribution.


Hasn't lokomotiv suffered enough?

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sabretoothpick wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/6942796/lokomotiv-rebuild-play-season-continental-hockey-league-president-alexander-medvedev-says

the team will rebuild and play this season.

not trying to be funny, being serious. could the sabres loan kotalik to lokomotiv? he probably wont be in the NHL, would he prefer to be in the KHL? that could be the sabres contribution.


Hasn't lokomotiv suffered enough?


too soon. i was being serious. kotalik will likely end up there anyways when his contract expires. hes got alot of hockey left in him, and appears disinterested in the north american game. plus, the team they will put out on the ice will be the equivalent to an expansion team. kotalik would likely be their best player.

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Apparently the NHL has an “Emergency Rehabilitation Plan” if something similar to the KHL crash were to occur. If a team has a catastrophe and is left with less that 14 players and 1 goalie:

• The league requires each team to have a $1 million insurance policy on each player.

• The “disabled team” would be allowed to negotiate to buy players under contract from other teams, with payment coming from the insurance money.

• If that didn’t fill out the roster, a draft would be held, much like an expansion draft. Teams could protect 10 players and one goalie.

• The disabled team would be allowed to take no more than one player from each of the other teams. The price for each player is $1 million in insurance money.

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Mr. Natural wrote:
Apparently the NHL has an “Emergency Rehabilitation Plan” if something similar to the KHL crash were to occur. If a team has a catastrophe and is left with less that 14 players and 1 goalie:

• The league requires each team to have a $1 million insurance policy on each player.

• The “disabled team” would be allowed to negotiate to buy players under contract from other teams, with payment coming from the insurance money.

• If that didn’t fill out the roster, a draft would be held, much like an expansion draft. Teams could protect 10 players and one goalie.

• The disabled team would be allowed to take no more than one player from each of the other teams. The price for each player is $1 million in insurance money.

First of all, like Stu said, glad to have you back!

So let's say the worst happens and an entire team is lost. They only get $23M in insurance, but their cap number then approaches zero. What is this team allowed/required to do to meet the salary cap floor? I really hope there's more to this 'plan'. Call me twisted, but the first thing I thought when I saw this was God help us if there is an incentive in here for a crazy/desperate owner to 'start over'. I mean FFS, we were once owned by the Rigas's!

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