I'm going to have to agree with Stuuu's's here.
Companies ship jobs overseas because of the labor costs. Employees are the #1 cost of doing business.
If Apple can pay some Chinese kid 1/10 the wage with almost no benefits to have them work 14 hour days 6 days a week while having the added bonus of being able to dump their industrial waste, why wouldn't they?

I've always said NAFTA needs to be killed and China needs to play fairly or face painful levels of import tariffs.

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GASP! but...but...but...but we CANT do THAT, because then china will stop lending us trillions of dollars!

Besides, it's just CHINESE land/air/people being poisoned/exploited. and then all the cheap crap I love will cost twice as much of a pittance than it costs now! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

egh, the rest of the planet can buy their cheap crap.
I don't even want to talk about the national debt, I'll get heartburn.


Found this and thought it was a good read http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/08/opinion/s ... hpt=us_mid

Although I've noticed a disturbing trend of the OWS people in NYC being truthers (notice the signs they're holding).
Truthers make me violently angry and I generally assume they're mentally deficient.
The site where they're developing their official demands is covered in truther bullshit and even chem-trail conspiracy theories.

http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/o ... mands-2009

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The entire reason those jobs went overseas is precisely because of unfettered capitalism. It is more important in the government's eyes (and many citizens' eyes including the teabaggers) that corporations be allowed to maximize profits than it is that American citizens have financial security. That's the absolute truth. That's why putting faith in capitalism to solve the mess capitalism created is exactly like believing the emperor is wearing clothes.

Listen, I'm 100% all about free trade, but what we have going with China isn't free trade.
If we all want to trade with each other, we need to all follow the same rules.
If not, we need to balance out those unfair advantages artificially. That's the job of governments, not economic systems.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/inde ... ccupy.html

Someone go check if Stuuu'uu's is OK.
Don't miss the home opener because you're in jail dude...not worth it!

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Occupy Wall Street is more popular with Americans than the Tea Party, with 54% of the population supporting the movement. Also, "nearly 80% of respondents (96% of Democrats and 56% of Republicans) think think the class chasm between rich and poor has grown too large, and 68%, including 40% of Republicans, say the affluent should pay more taxes."

http://swampland.time.com/2011/10/13/wh ... ernational

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I'm sorry, Gene, let me get this straight.
You guys show up and squat on private property for 4 weeks and the corporation that owns it allows you to do so. and when they decide they need to clean up your filth you complain theat the city didn't provide you with porta-a-poties at tax payer expense?

Fuck you Gene. Fuck you.

There's going to be a fight starting tomorrow and the NYPD are going to win.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/ ... up-friday/

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Cool. According to the CBS article Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine is putting on a show at Zuccotti Park. That guy does a wicked version of Bruce Springsteen's Ghost of Tom Joad. It's an appropriate song for that crowd.

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It also says they plan to march to Times Square for a "party".

Hardcore! I guess they're right, they are just like the Egyptians and Libyans.

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Hmmmmm....I wonder why it's more popular? You'd think a group that talks about the REAL issues that MATTER like cutting taxes and government spending would be more popular. No one cares about things like unequal distribution of wealth, home foreclosures, incredible healthcare costs, wars in foreign countries. Come on, let's talk about the real problem, taxes.

Fucking idiotic the way politicians who even think to actually bring up these issues (Nader) are marginalized. It takes occupying the streets to get anybody in the media to talk about the real issues. Please let the politicians take notice.

The plain fact of the matter is we don't make big changes in this country via street mobs.

We do it through elections.

If these ideas are so wildly popular it should be trivial to get them embraced by politicians ( they love popular ideas). If there are no politicians willing to champion these ideas, then the protesters should select leaders from within.

Should be easy to fill the halls of congress with socialists if 80% of the country thinks the wealth gap is too large.

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If we had the jobs that had been shipped over there or the fair wages...wouldn't that preempt the need for the trillions of dollars in loans?

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You are correct that change does not come about simply because people exercise their right to assemble. Protest movements must have clear, achievable aims and a plan for reaching those goals. However, when street movements are used to mobilize popular support and put pressure on politicians to redress an ill, they can be quite effective.

Time Magazine's Top 10 American Protest Movements
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packa ... 92,00.html

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I agree, but as I see it the longer the occupy protests go on, no matter how just the cause, the protesters will be eroding their popular support instead of fostering it.

Americans, in general, prefer order and the rule of law.
Just like in an election, the goals of the protesters cannot be met without the support of the great centrist base. Shitting on cop cars and fighting with police and shutting down private businesses isn't going to accomplish that.

We've all heard the message(s), time for them to get out of the street and do something about it.

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I wonder if there is a chinese specialist who can repair your sarcasm antenna?

In the chess game between the city and the Occupy Wall Street folks, the protesters responded to a check by blocking with a pawn.

Facing Eviction, Protesters Begin Park Cleanup
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/ ... rss&src=ig

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uh...a few protesters with mops and brooms != Teamsters with power washers.

There is also damage to underground electrical fixtures.

There is no way the protesters are not getting moved in the morning.
The cops and paddy waggons are already set to roll...mark my words.

Fail with a C- for effort.

And let's be clear, they're not going up against the city, they're on private property and the land owner has described them as trespassers.

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"Q8. ON ANOTHER ISSUE, IS YOUR OPINION OF THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE TEA PARTY TO HAVE AN OPINION?

VERY FAVORABLE 8%

SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE 19%

SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE 9%

VERY UNFAVORABLE 24%

DON’T KNOW ENOUGH 39%

NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 1%


Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?

VERY FAVORABLE 25%

SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE 29%

SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE 10%

VERY UNFAVORABLE 13%

DON’T KNOW ENOUGH 23%

NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 1%"

Yeah, that's a real clear example. What do you think of the Tea Party? vs What do you think of the courageous real Americans exercising their Constitutional rights to help the people who have been shit on by all the power brokers?

I'd give the poll more credence if they simply asked What do you think of Occupy Wall Street?

Ham

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