I would have kicked him in the chest, hoping he fell backwards onto a flaming shit.

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Like what the fuck possessed the asshole into "Hey, I gotta take a shit, I'll do it in front of all these people on this flag right hur!!"

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Since they've made the conscious decision to include people like this...and truthers and communists etc.
I will judge the group based on that decision.

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Since this picture is from 2007 it is probably not someone from the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Just sayin'...

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Please...enlighten us.
Since it's being purported on the intertubes as from OWS. And the webinets never lie.

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I will judge the group on their decision to NOT stop this guy.

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Michelle Malkin commented on this guy four years ago in an effort to smear the anti-war campaign.

It is a well tested technique - find the worst, most extreme, fringe wacko you can and use that person to taint the entire movement. That way you don't ever have to address the issues being debated, you can simply make it all about character.

Old trick. Very effective.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/03/23/wa ... ican-flag/
(scroll to bottom)

http://www.portlandtribune.com/opinion/ ... 3544877600

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Are there Nazi's, communists, anarchists and truthers in their ranks?
Yes there are.

Are there people who would burn, walk on, tear up and even shit on an American flag?
Yes there are.

And I will still judge them based on the company they keep....even the fringe fuck-ups.
Every Tea party supporter is a racist right? Every OWS supporter is a flag shitter.

fair is fair.

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I like how the peacenik from 2007 makes the point for me.

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If one picture doesn't work, just find another, right? No need to change the narrative.

Who are the Occupy people? A survey of Zucotti Park protesters by the Baruch College School of Public Affairs published on October 19, of 1,619 web respondents:

1/3 were older than 35
1/2 employed full-time
13% were unemployed
13% earned over $75,000
27.3% of the respondents called themselves Democrats
2.4% called themselves Republicans
70% called themselves independents

What do they want? Response to survey question, "What frustrates you the most about the political process in the United States?"

30% - "Influence of corporate/moneyed/special interests."
Only 6% said "Income inequality"
3% said, "Our democratic/capitalist system."

When asked, "What would you like to see the Occupy Wall Street movement achieve?"

35% said "Influence the Democratic Party the way the Tea Party has influenced the GOP"
11% said, "Break the two-party duopoly."
Only 4% said "Radical redistribution of wealth."

These people are us, mainstream Americans doing what we were always taught in school was a mainstream American value - making their voices heard on issues of national importance. The reality is, though, if you actually do what we claim we support in this country - exercise your fundamental freedoms, you are going to piss off a lot of people who deep down see things like freedom of speech and peaceful protest as suspiciously un-American.

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well really, there have to be at least 2 pictures of the same thing for that to work. So, ummm

I could start googling around for more pictures and videos if you'd like...you know, really pile it on...because I can, but I'm guessing that would bore you and be written off as isolated incidents.

How many would you need for convincing?
How many videos of people throwing glass bottles at cops would you need before admitting maybe, just maybe not all these folks are non-violent?
Because I can fetch some of those too.


And those survey questions and multiple-choice answers are so loaded it's silly.
add the word "democracy" to the capitalist answer...they all want democracy.
add the word "radical" to the wealth redistribution answer... PuhLease

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more fun with polls...I retract my statement about the questions leading with multiple choice answers...I found the unadulterated results.

7. (if yes) Did you vote for President Obama?
74% Yes

10.Do you plan on voting to reelect President Obama in the upcoming 2012
Presidential Election?
48% Yes <-- the President who's taken more contributions from wall street than any other in history...author of multiple bailouts and a giveaway to the insurance industry

17.What would you like to see the Occupy Wall Street movement achieve? {Open
Ended}
8% Not sure <-- Then WTF are you doing sitting in a park on a school day

19.Would you support the use of civil disobedience to achieve your goals?
98% Yes
1% Maybe
1% No

20. What about violence?
69% No
31% Yes <--almost a full 1/3...impressive


21.Do you think that conditions in the United States today are similar to those in
many countries in the Middle East on the eve of the Arab Spring?
66% Yes <-- these people are clueless

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There are hundreds of thousands of people involved in the Occupy movement, spread across 600 communities in this country alone. They have been purposely anarchic in their attitudes toward leadership and frustratingly nonspecific in their aims, so I don't know how you have managed to find a representative - even a representative-type - for this movement.

Here is a novel approach - let's talk about ideas instead of people.

Is it your contention that American style capitalism in the 21st century is the very pinnacle of economic systems, without flaw and beyond reproach? Or, is it possible that our modern interpretation of capitalism, as it is currently defined by those it serves best, could stand some improvement?

Economic systems, no matter what their dogma, are fundamentally about the division of limited resources. How those resources are to be divided and who will benefit are the two main points of contention in the debate. The system that currently has the playing field to itself is capitalism, which is dominant within the majority of the world’s nations, as well as the fundamental system of the international economy.

However, there is no one system of capitalism. Nor is there any point in history when there was “perfect” capitalism. There are only endless interpretations, in every individual nation and every era, of how capitalism should work and whom it will serve. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations is one man’s economic philosophy, not the word of god.

We should be having a national discussion about how we want our economic system to work and whether or not we expect it to be a system designed to provide an opportunity for the greatest wealth for the smallest percentage of people or the greatest good for the greatest number of people.

People of good will can have an honest disagreement about that philosophy without having their Americanism questioned by guilt through association.

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You seemed to find a "type"
I disagree that 31% of mainstream America is OK with the use of violence towards obtaining any of the goals of the occupy people.


I would be the last person to say American style capitalism is without flaw, but I would assert it's the best the world has come up with thus far in regard to wealth generation and rapid increases in standards of living.
Is there a specific alternative or remedy being proposed by the OWS people, because to start these sorts of discussions about big ideas, you need an idea.


OK, get out there and spread the word that perhaps the Tea Party isn't entirely racist...like I said earlier, it works both ways. Such a politically charged group (because that's what this is about...politics) will always be judged by the lowest common denominator among them.

You're trying to paint this picture like the Occupy protesters have the a cohesive argument, alternative, platform or some sort of positive direction for this "discussion". I'd love to see that because they look like squatters intent on having police confrontations to me.
Not concerned citizens looking for a substantive conversation.

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So, your main issue is that the media didn't treat the Tea Party folks fairly, so that means anything you say or post about the Occupy movement is fair game, even inflammatory pictures that turn out to be four years old and not pertaining to this movement at all.

Is that about right? The media is unfair?

I'll be sure to bring that up with Al Gore, or Howard Dean, or John Kerry.

The media is the media - build you up today, tear you down tomorrow. Do the majority of reporters lean left of center? Sure, they are part of the majority of college educated Americans in general who are moderate to liberal in their political beliefs. So what? They all work for corporations that have a decidedly pro-business Chamber of Commerce point of view.

Which is more important, the politics of the person writing the story or that of the person who decides what stories get printed?

We could argue all day about the media, but to what point?

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Ah, I didn't recognize the picture.

My uncle shared a photo on Facebook posted by Being Conservative's page, and I recognized it as being from the riots in London back in August.

The amount of misinformation being spread is enormous.

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‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
-Khalil Gibran

No...are you ignoring the video I posted of an occupy protest doing pretty much the same thing?
You did try to dismiss it right away, but it happened and I can get more if you'd like.

My main issue being the media?
Naa, I don't have a "main issue" except to point out the pointlessness of these protests. The longer it drags on, the more pathetic they look.

You said the point of it was to start a conversation right?
I think you also said the same thing a couple weeks ago...has the conversation progressed in the last 2 weeks...how about the last 2 months?
Have the occupiers advanced their cause?

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Since the occupy protesters are just mainstream Americans peacefully protesting, let's check in and see what mainstream America is up to.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... otesters/1

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/219433/ ... rnment.htm

http://gawker.com/5848267/pooping-forni ... all-street

http://news.yahoo.com/occupy-wall-stree ... 00180.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/increas ... ll-street/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manh ... hBRv9IbaiK

There's the evidence to debunk your narrative, where's your evidence to support it?

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Yes, rely on the media, who are funded by billionaires, to justly report on a cause against them.

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If you have evidence any of these incidents have been exaggerated or fabricated I'm all ears.
If not, summarily dismissing evidence because of the source seems pretty silly.

USAToday, gawker and yahoo are not Fox news ya know.

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